Is the FA20 a dud? No high horsepower use?

[hmong337]

All very valid answers.

I guess we'll wait and see. Hopefully they'll be more development this season and hopefully more trophies. I'm just appalled by Toyota not backing more teams or doing more development than they should be doing. If anything, shouldn't they be the first on the block with an extreme FA20 for everybody to aspire to? This car meant to be a club racer, no? I mean, look at Mazda. They've been doing it big in regards to spec miata and mazdaspeed since forever! They've got extensive programs and support to put together cars for people and teams. Toyota hypes this car intended for club racing then slowly walks out the back door?

Will we see any support from the OEM or are we left to dry doing everything on our own dime?

Toyobaru has yet to show a proven reliable high power fa20 to the world. It's been two years now since the gt86 brz release. You'd think Toyota or Subaru would've had their hands on the engine developing something crazy around the release of these cars. Yes, Subaru released their gt300 car alongside the debut of the brz. But again, no fa20, no care.

It just seems like there's no fa20 love coming from Toyobaru. Hundred of millions of dollars, it'd be nice to see at least one car from either camp sporting a developed fa20.

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by Anorexic 86

Have you not seen the Forced Induction threads?

Full Blown Motorsports is making over 700 wheel horsepower...

Yes I've seen it and I frequent the FI section quite a bit. But those are mere privateers and just street cars. What I'm after are racecars using the fa20 in sprint races or better, endurance racing. I'm not looking to call out Full Blown but if their 700hp car was pushed into competition racing, will it last? Even at 400hp levels, will it last? The truth of the matter is is that it shouldn't be up to small shops like Full Blown to push the envelope. Where the hell is Toyota or Subaru in this mess? They're the ones with billions of dollars and not one fa20 car to date!

[Dipstik-sportech]

Ken stout racing runs one in the speed world challenge or whatever its called now

The Frozen North

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

Ken stout racing runs one in the speed world challenge or whatever its called now

The Frozen North

Yes, the KSR Scion FRS. Let's hope they have a better season this year from what they learned last year.

[Victor Draken]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

Given enough time, I'm sure the aftermarket will catch up to the FA20.

With that said, mine went pop at 286whp and now I'm inclined to swap it as well.

how that happened?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by wparsons

The FA20 is superior in every way to past boxer engines, it just needs time for people to catch up.

I think it has strong suits compared to the EJ of past years (and it's 20 year old architecture), but I think there's some inherent weaknesses in the FA20 design that I'm not sure can be readily addressed.

[Dipstik-sportech]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

I think it has strong suits compared to the EJ of past years (and it's 20 year old architecture), but I think there's some inherent weaknesses in the FA20 design that I'm not sure can be readily addressed.

Please elaborate

The Frozen North

[rcm47]

One word, Griffon, the ultimate 86.

[civicdrivr]

Originally Posted by Victor Draken

how that happened?

Rod snapped, blew a hole in the block. Vortech supercharged @9psi. It happened on the dyno; there was no knock/detonation in the logs from that run and fueling was spot on.

Made 286/216 on that run though

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

Please elaborate

The Frozen North

I'm not particularly versed or knowledgeable about engines, but the liners in these blocks can't be bored. Exactly what that means for the end users, I'm not sure...but reading up on the Toyota detailed spec, it seems like a cost-cutting measure.

@civicdrivr's failure is weird to me because rods don't just snap without knock or det. A fatigued rod COULD snap, but why would it have been fatigued in the first place? I forget which cylinder tens to let go on the EJ, but people theorized it was a fuel-rail issues because the stock rails on that platform are NOT parallel. One cylinder is actually known to get hotter and I believe it was fuel rail related, but it's been years since I read up on building EJs.

[ayau]

The brz gt300 is nothing like the factory brz. They may share the same headlamps. It's just called the brz for marketing purposes. It would make sense to stick with the proven EJ motor especially when it comes to motorsports.

[Basket Case]

Originally Posted by hmong337

All very valid answers.

'm just appalled by Toyota not backing more teams or doing more development than they should be doing. If anything, shouldn't they be the first on the block with an extreme FA20 for everybody to aspire to?

The FA20 is not toyota's engine so to speak so it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't really want to put more into it's development...

[DAMotorsports]

Let see do we forget about element racing who runs NASA time attack with corvettes and vipers. How about AVO Turboworld who is tracking in Japan and setting fast lamps. We have been testing our car and look forward to the 2014 season.

The problem is most tuners/builder still think in old ways. Some are scared of the DI or don't know how they can push it. So the first they they want to do is pull the motor for something they know. It's a huge lurching curve and aftermarket companies are still on the fence about weather to spend the money to produce parts.

[Basket Case]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

Rod snapped, blew a hole in the block. Vortech supercharged @9psi. It happened on the dyno; there was no knock/detonation in the logs from that run and fueling was spot on.

Made 286/216 on that run though

ouch...Thats why I am kinda scared to go FI for a few years since this car is my DD and I work in sales, so I NEED to have my car, lol.