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Dave-ROR · 03-14-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by whtchocla7e

Did they also replace the timing gears?

The way they jumped to conclusions quickly and tried to pin it on you, tells me they know something. Maybe the botched the job.

This! This happened to a local guy but the dealer admitted the mistake and replaced the engine.

Fight the hell out of this one. Worst case, insurance should (I know multiple that have) cover hydrolock as a comp claim but that should be an absolutel LAST resort.

I'd want evidence of hydrolock though, water near/on the throttle body isn't evidence.

zc06_kisstherain · 03-14-2013, 01:20 PM

you should fight dealer and hire attorney if they BSing you.
it's impossible to hydrolock it with stock air filter. even CAI design for this car, it will get hydrolocked. like Jeebus said, CAI that design that filter is located right in front of wheel, like RSX-S, Civic Si would get hydrolocked but this is not right case.

Dave-ROR · 03-14-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain

you should fight dealer and hire attorney if they BSing you.
it's impossible to hydrolock it with stock air filter. even CAI design for this car, it will get hydrolocked. like Jeebus said, CAI that design that filter is located right in front of wheel, like RSX-S, Civic Si would get hydrolocked but this is not right case.

A lawyer is a bad idea at this time. If he gets a lawyer so will they and everything will stop until the lawyers fight it out at the expense of all involved. Probably the worst next step he could take honestly.

Instead he needs to keep fighting with corporate, file a BBB claim and start a social media campaign. All of that is more effective right now than a lawyer would be.

post_break · 03-14-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pozer

I also removed the resonator so the large hole on the right side of the box is open but this would still mean I would need to fill the engine bay with water and it would also stop the lower part of the stock air box from sucking up any water in since it can't complete a vacuum.

Let me get this straight, you removed the resonator, and didn't plug the hole. So you've got a 2.5" hole that is completely open, bypassing the air filter?

Dave-ROR · 03-14-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by post_break

Let me get this straight, you removed the resonator, and didn't plug the hole. So you've got a 2.5" hole that is completely open, bypassing the air filter?

That's before the filter. The only hole post-filter is for the sound generator which he didn't mention.

pozer · 03-14-2013, 01:36 PM

Wouldn't it be easy for them to just drop the oil pan and shake the rods and see if its a bearing? That's like 20min tops...

SkullWorks · 03-14-2013, 01:36 PM

Who currently has possession of the vehicle?

Is the motor still in the car?

If the car is still intact I would have it assessed by a third party. Find anyone with a mechanical engineering degree and experience with cars and have it looked at, his word on paper accompanied by his title and listed degrees will be hard for Scion to ignore. it is important to get someone else's professional opinion before the dealership gets in there and starts covering their a$$

post_break · 03-14-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

That's before the filter. The only hole post-filter is for the sound generator which he didn't mention.

Gotcha, I thought he removed the sound generator.

Dave-ROR · 03-14-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by post_break

Gotcha, I thought he removed the sound generator.

He said resonator so I assumed the helmholtz resonator. He could have misspoke, I haven't seen the car so.. :shrug:

pozer · 03-14-2013, 02:11 PM

You can see the intake in the video everything behind the filter is intact.

NickFRS · 03-14-2013, 02:42 PM

Call toyota. Make a complaint. They will give you a claim and call them. Toyota reps will be on your side 100% more then a stupid tech.

pozer · 03-14-2013, 03:23 PM

I did get a call back form dealer and the service manager was much nicer and more informative that the customer rep I spoke with early. Toyota has authorized them to look at it tomorrow and find what cyl it is and if its a rod or the bearing. I feel allot better about this knowing I did not hit water......

FirestormFRS · 03-14-2013, 05:47 PM

A hydro locked engine in most circumstances dies period. I've seen hydro locked engines on the inside and it's never just one cylinder that is messed up. Generally all four are jacked up and they roll out the side of the block. I doubt it's hydro locked at all

DanoFA20 · 03-14-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pozer

Yes All the holes are on the inside of the engine bay... I also removed the resonator so the large hole on the right side of the box is open but this would still mean I would need to fill the engine bay with water and it would also stop the lower part of the stock air box from sucking up any water in since it can't complete a vacuum.
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BTW I completely agree had I hydro locked the engine they should not cover it but this is not the case..

wait... you left the hole open when you removed the sound resonator? you do realize that basically by passes the mass ? which could produce an issue.

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pozer Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 13 FR - s Location: Madison wi Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wouldn't it be easy for them to just drop the oil pan and shake the rods and see if its a bearing? That's like 20min tops...

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SkullWorks Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: SSM LT MT BRZ Location: SoCal Posts: 1,033 Thanks: 803 Thanked 754 Times in 328 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Who currently has possession of the vehicle? Is the motor still in the car? If the car is still intact I would have it assessed by a third party. Find anyone with a mechanical engineering degree and experience with cars and have it looked at, his word on paper accompanied by his title and listed degrees will be hard for Scion to ignore. it is important to get someone else's professional opinion before the dealership gets in there and starts covering their a$$

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pozer Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 13 FR - s Location: Madison wi Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You can see the intake in the video everything behind the filter is intact.

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pozer Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 13 FR - s Location: Madison wi Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I did get a call back form dealer and the service manager was much nicer and more informative that the customer rep I spoke with early. Toyota has authorized them to look at it tomorrow and find what cyl it is and if its a rod or the bearing. I feel allot better about this knowing I did not hit water......

03-14-2013, 05:47 PM	#27
FirestormFRS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Anytown Posts: 920 Thanks: 73 Thanked 643 Times in 302 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A hydro locked engine in most circumstances dies period. I've seen hydro locked engines on the inside and it's never just one cylinder that is messed up. Generally all four are jacked up and they roll out the side of the block. I doubt it's hydro locked at all

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