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To be fair, Japan went into the business much earlier when there were more improvements to be made. Nowadays engines are pretty advanced and well optimized (Toyota in particular has been doing quite a good job here with introducing direct injection and advanced valve timing, which Honda has not been keeping up with for some reason), so it's harder to bring "revolutionary" stuff in. Of course Japan has brought the world an unparalleled level of quality and reliability in automobiles which we can all appreciate, but I'm pointing out that variable valve timing, for example, is simple in concept, it just takes time and money to bring to the market, and arrived when these newer car companies were in their infancy.
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look at any japanese car from the 50s 60s 70s and you can see where they come from. hell even the miata is just a elan clone. honda 600 has mini cues. 510s from 2002s. 2000gt is a quintessential french riviera sports car. celicas looked like they came straight out of detroit. nobody intentionally carves their own path. you copy your predecessors until you fail and then if you get enough right to have some staying power the next generation follows suit. im just saying that korea might be to japan what japan was to the previous dominant car manufacturers. i think its too early to tell so lets not count them out |
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As I mentioned before, they are still too young of a car company for me to consider buying. Japan gained a lot of respect due to their competitiveness to not only race but to dominate it! Hyundai needs to enter in a 24hr Le Mans, build a F1 car, Nascar...something. Build a name for yourself instead of building a car that can look like a poorman's S Class and calling it a Genesis!
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lolz first time I ever saw a Genesis was on the way home, I saw it parked in the parking lot of a restaurant. I thought it was awfully strange how a Mercedes S class was missing its logo...then later I found out that it wasn't a Mercedes. It's a complete ripoff but hey it looks nice Hopefully they'll be a little more creative next time...and get rid of that ugly front grill on the coupe.
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I understand that even with their new found reliability, part of if came from buying Toyota designed parts from some suppliers. I recall Toyota throwing the toys out of the pram with some of their suppliers because of this, and rightfully so. |
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Toyota really started to run with Lean after WWII during Reconstruction. It was actually taught to them by an American. It's nothing new, but it's how they go about it, constantly trying to drive out waste. You have to remember Toyota has been doing it a long time and have made their manufacturing process very efficient. When you intitally implement Lean you don't see many improvements but over time you'll see marked improvements. It can be applied to anything, but the way you go about it in a Hospital is different than building Cars. The recalls have literally nothing to do with Lean. It had to do with Toyota's climb to be #1 in the world. Their quality slipped because they weren't keeping an Eye on their suppliers like they should have. Dude... you can find cues from any car and relate them to almost any other car. OEM's are always chasing the next big thing and sometimes that means copying each other. You'll find that the American Big 3 have been stealing the Asian style for the last 10 years. European OEM's have been straddling their own style with the Asian style too. As for "nobody intentionally carves their own path." that is complete and utter bullshit. All great leaders carve their own path. What about the people who invent new things? Who are they following and failing? Microsoft? Google? Apple? Sir Isac Newton? Eisenstein? I mean the list goes on and on. These aren't people who just copied what other did and failed and tried again. They innovated and became leaders. They found new ways and invented new things all together. You gotta remember there's some companies that have dominated their respected markets for hundreds years. They don't roll over every few years. Sure the Korean Auto Manufacturers might take over, but I don't see it happening. The Japanese know what a threat the Koreans are. They aren't going to make the mistake the Big 3 did in discounting the threat of the Japanese. They also didn't keep up with the times. The Japanese have been innovators and done a pretty good job of predicting where markets are headed. Sure they make mistakes, but you look at the number of Bombs the big 3 have dropped compared to Toyota and Acura.
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People act as if Toyota and Hondas are so special. When I was younger I fell for the same BS that many of you fell for yet when I look at a toyota lot all I see is sleepmobiles and nothing special. I would take the GC over 95% of ugly ass Japanese cars made now and I used to be a hyundai hater prior to the GC.
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Hmm I would give Hyundai a second chance, I love the GC I've only had the chance to drive a 2.0t one and I think their Mirableu is beautiful. But that UGLY ASS CLOTH Interior is so UGLY I was just gonna walk out after seeing the inside. I hope the face lift fix that plastic grill that looks like something from recycled old samsung tv it's real low quality. In fact improve on the interior please, and if it's competitive with both 370z and FRS I'll consider it big time because I'm a huge supporter of up and coming companies.
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I'm curious by what you mean by same BS... do explain!
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333hp V6. And I highly doubt Hyundai would give the 2.0T 274hp (though it might not be hard to prod it out of the motor with a few cheap mods) simply because there would be no real reason to buy the more expensive V6.
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RRnold, I love most of the aspects of my rsx but I hate the k20 engine with a passion. Sure its a reliable engine but its a torqueless POS. Also the brakes and tranny is the worst. I drove civics and walked away unimpressed.
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