05-10-2013, 04:24 AM | #169 |
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Why did they used the cheapy FRS rather than the BRZ or the jap/euro 86?
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Adding a headerback exhaust into the mix on swift's brz will surely put it at 30whp. Dont you agree? Or would a headerback exhaust yield zero gains? Im not judging on trap speeds. Im judging on power to weight ratio of a bolt on BRZ vs a stock s2000. But thanks for clarifying my point once again. A lightly modded BRZ will be just as fast as a stock s2000. If you get the same driver, clone that person, put one in the BRZ, put one on the s2000, they will be as fast as each other. |
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And i mentioned gas mileage (and emissions) cos they killed these two other cars. When you drive FRS you have to remember that this car is made to meet those new emission standards. It's quite remarkable thing that you can have that kind of engine (and car of course ) with 25t $. There is a reason why honda and mazda doesn't manufacture those engines/cars anymore... Is it a little unfair to compare new car against used cars which were much more expensive when new, and that time when they were on the market emission standards were much lower and so on? Maybe so, but life is unfair. I would everytime pick Boxster over S2000, but i need 2+2 coupe so for me instead of rx8 i would choose GT86 or 996 Carrera Last edited by Lasse; 05-10-2013 at 06:18 AM. |
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The RX-8 is just not a comparison, with that gas guzzling short lived rotary it might as well be from Mars, its no longer being sold for good reason, not worth the head ache for most people, time is money. The RX8 had many many hidden costs of ownership. If you can afford that sort of luxury in time and money great, but we shouldn't be comparing it to a new $25k Toyota.
The S2k is only being compared at used prices, that is a testament to Honda's pinnacle of building reliable transportation that we would even consider a 10 year old car with 75k+ miles as being competitive to a brand new car. Surely we are not so lacking in confidence in Toyota/Subaru reliability that we would consider buying a used car of unknown care ? I'm kidding here a bit, but have you ever been cheated by a used car sale's man? I'm still kicking myself for not buying a co-workers AP1 for $15k four years ago during the banking crisis, but no way I'm spending $20k+ on a used car of unknown origin now days, you just never know if the previous owner was a dillweed. Obviously the FR-S isn't any where near the high price bracket as when the S2k was new. The fact that the FR-S is competitive with the S2k 10 years later for basically half the price (considering inflation) is quite remarkable! And it is a much more practical daily driver. @ CSG Mike, I hope your engine problems are isolated. Can you share the details of what components failed ?
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You know I dont thin kanyone has mentioned this....What tires were on the three cars? I highly doubt they were the same....I dont think they mentioned it in the video. Did they?
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They didn't mention tires as I recall, and that's a good point. The S2000, for one, is sensitive to tire pressures in a way that is unlike any other car I've ever driven. It also handles completely unlike their description if it's sitting on 300 treadwear tires that aren't a matched set. (replace the rears at a different time than the fronts, happens all the time with those cars.)
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It's ironic that the car with a more practical body style gets passed over as a DD because it has the completely impractical Rotary. |
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Spending $25K on the FR-S I will be sorely disappointed if I don't get 200k out of the engine. And I mean not burning/drinking/leaking oil at 200k. My Honda Civic Vtech made it that long , my current grocery getter Yaris has many reports of 400k+ miles with their solid engines. People buying cars in this price range expect that sort of worry-free reliability from the Japanese. Its the bigger reason people are comparing a new FR-S to 10 year old Honda S2k's, bullet proof Japanese reliability. Miatas engines repeatedly live a very long hard life. Its just an expectation. And without that I think it takes the RX-8 especially a used one off most everyone's list. Resale is really bad too.
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I do think one of the reasons the FR-S and BRZ are selling so well is that they're comparable to the S2000 and RX-8, but without the practicality issues. Unlike the S2000, they have a hard top and rear seats. And unlike the RX-8, they get good gas mileage, don't consume oil, and have fairly robust engines (although only time will tell). All this while being lighter, significantly cheaper, and acing modern crash safety standards. Not bad.
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Word has it that they aren't able to inject enough oil to ensure longevity/reliability and still meet emissions. Running premix *might* allow these engines to live a bit longer. Also there are reports that running the Mazda specified 20wt oil doesn't adequately protect the engine, and that 30wt is a much better bet. In any case, these engines are inherently very short-lived relative to piston engines, and inherently get crap fuel mileage. Sweet cars, though... |
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