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03-11-2013, 11:54 AM | #1 | |
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Regarding "Race" oils.
Cross posted from a discussion here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30742
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We run 300V in the CSG shop cars, and our current oil change is at about 6000 miles. I can assure you that the car has seen plenty of track time Re: 8100. You want to prepare you car for the harshest condition you will expose it to (this applies to brake pads as well). If you plan on running one marathon a year, do you train by doing 2 mile jogs every day? In my experience, 8100 has broken down with JUST canyon driving; I used to use it before I ever started hitting the tracks, and UOA showed it be insufficient, even though it is a very highly regarded oil. As always, YMMV. We change our fluids based on test results from Blackstone, and recommend that anyone interested in extended oil change intervals to do the same. We carry the full line of Motul fluids. PM @CounterSpace Garage for more info, or visit our www.counterspacegarage.com 300V virgin oil analysis. Oil analysis on my factory fill on the S2000 (Yes, I started from the begining) Different oils I tried in my car, until I discovered 300V. Look at the viscosity break down. My car was strictly a daily driver/canyon carver at this point. Still zero track time! Experimenting with different diff fluids. Last edited by CSG Mike; 03-11-2013 at 01:15 PM. |
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03-11-2013, 12:49 PM | #2 |
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You are correct about the detergents, although 8100 0W-20 is a 100% synthetic, ester based oil.
http://www.motul.com/us/en-US/produc...iscosity%5D=36 There's a new Motul 8100 0W-20 available in Australia and it is likely PAO based. http://www.motul.com/system/product_...pdf?1339474108 Only the 6100 series is synthetic blend. http://www.motul.com/us/en-us/produc...%5Brange%5D=25 -Dennis |
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Just one point I'd like to make that Dennis could probably clarify: Don't the racing oils usually have higher phosphorous levels, to the point they could be deadly to the cats?
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03-11-2013, 01:15 PM | #4 |
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Oops. I stand corrected. Need more coffee. Not sure why I was thinking 8100 when I was thinking 6100.
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The phosphorus levels shown above are actually typical of Rotella 5W-40, and many other 40 weights that Subaru turbo owners (like me) love to run, and the other Subaru forums don't have a lot of posts about cat failures and most would say the dead cat thing is overblown. There's a guy over at bitog that has worked in the oil industry for many years for some of the major oil companies and he has been running high phosphorus diesel oils in gas cars since the 60's! Of course, YMMV, and don't blame me if you do have a cat failure running a high phosphorus oil. :happy0180:. -Dennis Last edited by bluesubie; 03-11-2013 at 03:01 PM. |
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03-12-2013, 08:31 AM | #6 |
Here in the NY/NJ area we get back blackstones from motul in client cars 8100 x-clean 5w30 on 5000 mile intervals that are amazing. We have been selling and using in our cars the 8100 for a long time and for a street car on 7500 intervals it is more than adequate to be used. On cars that are tracked, you will want to change your oil shortly before an even and shortly after an event to provide the most protection.
The v300 is also great, but overkill for most drivers in our opinion. We also stock and sell Motul so feel free to ask for a quote and we are one of the only stocking dealers in the Tristate. -Mike Paisan 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" |
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03-26-2013, 05:04 PM | #8 |
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One is 8100 and one is 6100. Both broke down.
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03-26-2013, 05:34 PM | #9 |
We've ran the 8100 in both our street and track cars for a few years now. No breakdowns and the UOAs for them have come back very well. We have ran the 8100 X-Clean C3 5w30 and 5w40 in our cars and have a fairly decent size sample of customer cars that run them. I would say that we do about 50+ Motul oil changes a month on customer's cars as well.
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@CSG Mike:
Is there any benefit to running Motul 300V 0W20 over Motul 8100 0W20?? Or would you recommend just running 300V 5W30 all the time (especially if the car will see the track)?
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The 300v 5w30 would be a good choice for track beaten cars. -Mike Paisan 11+ Years Maintaining, Modifying and Educating TriState Subaru Enthusiasts. Call directly as We carry almost every manufacturer now, so before you buy parts call us. Like us on Facebook! | E-mail: sales@azpinstalls.com | 725 Fairfield Ave | Kenilworth, NJ 07033 | 908.248.AZP1 (2971) | T-1 Certified Amsoil Direct Jobber |AIM: AZP Installs "Race Tested, Enthusiast Approved!" |
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Will the 300V 0W20 withstand street use such as 8000 OCI and cold starts every day?
I heard some people say 300V is good for track and only meant for really short OCIs |
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If it's driven on the street you gain not from running a race-only oil. You need a "compromise", an oil that good enough for the track but has the necessary ingredients for the street (detergents etc). Many street oils are so good they work very well under racing conditions.
If you have a dedicated race car that's never left outside in the cold you really should be running a dedicated race onlyoil, they're just that good. I see some excellent oils in this thread. Good thread, but surprised nobody mentioned Joe Gibbs, one of the undisputed champions of racing oil development. http://www.drivenracingoil.com/dro/xp3.html
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03-27-2013, 06:36 PM | #14 | |
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