Toyota FT-86 VS Nissan IDx FreeFlow: Battle of The Japanese Compact Cars - Page 5 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

cycleboy · 11-27-2013, 12:53 PM

I think the Nissan is hideous, and I like the original 510.

To me the IDx looks a bit like the Amphicar (maybe they should make it able to drive on a lake?)

The FT86 concept doesn't look nearly as nice as our real cars though in my opinion.

I've owned a Nissan Xterra since it was new in 1999 and I still love it. I would not however buy the new ones as they took away some of the ruggedness and usability of the first 2 generations.

Vides990 · 11-27-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitigir

I really don't see the Supra revision.

They're working on the car with BMW now, joint venture just like Subaru and the FRS/BRZ. BMW gets a new Z car, Toyota gets the Supra, and everyone saves on cost, going to be hybrid too......

Whitigir · 11-27-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vides990

They're working on the car with BMW now, joint venture just like Subaru and the FRS/BRZ. BMW gets a new Z car, Toyota gets the Supra, and everyone saves on cost, going to be hybrid too......

I know they are working on it. The problem is the Final Product cost, and the market price.

How would they pull it off within going into

A/ C7 performance and price

B/ GT-R Price

Like I said sub 3500 lbs with 475/475 HP/Torque, and 29 MPG Highway, 50/50 Balance...cost 60k. That is C7 price

120k and up will be GTR price. With Obama Economy, not many people have money laying around to pick up a car that cost 100k just as a Hobby.

If they make it though, I am sure I won't be able to bite it. I will be glad for those who can.

But as what I see, I would say the 86 will truthfully be Mid-Tier once it goes 2.5l or FI

Demandred7 · 11-27-2013, 05:11 PM

I think it is hilarious how the images alternate between the two and all I could think was - ugly car, good looking car, ugly car, good looking car, ugly car, good looking car,......(obviously the FT-86 being the good looking car).

calmtigers · 11-27-2013, 05:34 PM

Why would they try to make a new 510? That's ridiculous if there is anything to be learned from Toybaru making the twins its that cars have changed, but people's wants in a car haven't. The desired 86 is going to be desired in a new version.

Now what car hasn't nissan remade that was/is extremely desirable?

The fucking s chassis... Come on nissan, want to battle the twins, put out new versions of the S with the same old fun factor

gymratter · 11-27-2013, 06:22 PM

from what i understand the foria concept was a preview of a new S16. but no one liked it and the economy started falling to pieces a few years later. than nissan just scrapped the idea all together.

fast forward a few years later. Mr. Toyoda told his company to make something affordable, sexy, rwd and lightweight. than the 86/frs/brz came to be. the cars got great reviews and has been a hot seller.

nissan got all PO because that used to be their thing "S" and sales of its fugly a$$ 370z has been on decline for sometime now. and now this is their answer to the 86/frs/brz. i say this to nissan, LOL this is the best you can do? you suck go back to the drawing board and hire some real designers.

vh_supra26 · 11-27-2013, 07:53 PM

^The Foria concept looked a bit more production ready than the new IDx FreeFlow concept.

vh_supra26 · 11-30-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by daiheadjai

I may be biased, but the Celica wore that beltline much better than this concept.
I love the idea, but even the front end with those cartoonish headlamps looks a bit goofy.

I agreed with you as well.

reni · 12-01-2013, 09:26 AM

The last sexy car Nissan designed or produced was the S15

Not saying the Z or GTR are bad cars, but they absolutely don't measure up in terms of looks. The IDX especially is a complete turd in comparison. I don't understand why car manufacturers these days can't make sleek, sexy, classically beautiful cars. Everything is just bulbous, chunky, and akward.

wrxgoose · 12-01-2013, 12:08 PM

I really like the 510 concept, while the 86 concept doesnt look quite right. Something about it just bothers me.

Whitigir · 12-01-2013, 12:09 PM

I completely agree about the look of the Syliva

slava · 12-01-2013, 04:11 PM

I bet this thing looks rad once production version is released.

root · 12-01-2013, 06:17 PM

And the thing is in the discussions and promo blurbs of this concept, part of the core concept seems to be a car for the non-enthusiast! They come out and say its a car for those not interested in cars. An inexpensive good looking car. CVT too.
As opposed to our FR-S/BRZ/GT86 where the core objective was an affordable drivers car and lots of resources were spent on the driving dynamics. Not denim interior with brass zippers. Looks like the idx concept is aimed at the skinny jeans market.
And if that's the case then this will be FF. An abomination to the 510. It's be a styling exercise that makes me angry like the new Beetle.

NWFRS · 12-01-2013, 08:05 PM

CVT for sure?

Nissan is doing that a lot lately.

What is actually "wrong" with a CVT? Is it the future, or just Nissan's weird little thing? Are they vulnerable in some way?

View Poll Results: Which concept do you like better?
The sleek Toyota FT-86 Concept	213	69.16%
The retro Nissan IDx FreeFlow Concept	25	8.12%
I kind of like both concepts	70	22.73%
Voters: 308. You may not vote on this poll

12-01-2013, 12:08 PM	#66
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11-27-2013, 12:53 PM	#57
cycleboy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S - Argento Location: 805 Posts: 501 Thanks: 8 Thanked 208 Times in 138 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think the Nissan is hideous, and I like the original 510. To me the IDx looks a bit like the Amphicar (maybe they should make it able to drive on a lake?) The FT86 concept doesn't look nearly as nice as our real cars though in my opinion. I've owned a Nissan Xterra since it was new in 1999 and I still love it. I would not however buy the new ones as they took away some of the ruggedness and usability of the first 2 generations.

11-27-2013, 05:11 PM	#60
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11-27-2013, 05:34 PM	#61
calmtigers Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2014 Whiteout TRD FR-S 6MT Location: Fresno / DTLA Posts: 928 Thanks: 628 Thanked 376 Times in 214 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Why would they try to make a new 510? That's ridiculous if there is anything to be learned from Toybaru making the twins its that cars have changed, but people's wants in a car haven't. The desired 86 is going to be desired in a new version. Now what car hasn't nissan remade that was/is extremely desirable? The fucking s chassis... Come on nissan, want to battle the twins, put out new versions of the S with the same old fun factor

11-27-2013, 06:22 PM	#62
gymratter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: BMW Location: TX Posts: 2,395 Thanks: 1,971 Thanked 1,825 Times in 952 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	from what i understand the foria concept was a preview of a new S16. but no one liked it and the economy started falling to pieces a few years later. than nissan just scrapped the idea all together. fast forward a few years later. Mr. Toyoda told his company to make something affordable, sexy, rwd and lightweight. than the 86/frs/brz came to be. the cars got great reviews and has been a hot seller. nissan got all PO because that used to be their thing "S" and sales of its fugly a$$ 370z has been on decline for sometime now. and now this is their answer to the 86/frs/brz. i say this to nissan, LOL this is the best you can do? you suck go back to the drawing board and hire some real designers.

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vh_supra26 Site Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: Supra Location: Houston Posts: 2,793 Thanks: 1,155 Thanked 2,181 Times in 964 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	^The Foria concept looked a bit more production ready than the new IDx FreeFlow concept.

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reni Nobody beats the B[I\|R]Z Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: shopping cart i stole from walmart Location: somewhere Posts: 939 Thanks: 262 Thanked 1,145 Times in 456 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The last sexy car Nissan designed or produced was the S15 Not saying the Z or GTR are bad cars, but they absolutely don't measure up in terms of looks. The IDX especially is a complete turd in comparison. I don't understand why car manufacturers these days can't make sleek, sexy, classically beautiful cars. Everything is just bulbous, chunky, and akward.

12-01-2013, 12:09 PM	#67
Whitigir Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 450 awhp twin turbo vr4 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,012 Thanks: 94 Thanked 273 Times in 177 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I completely agree about the look of the Syliva

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slava Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: brZed Location: colorado Posts: 388 Thanks: 180 Thanked 362 Times in 136 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I bet this thing looks rad once production version is released.

12-01-2013, 06:17 PM	#69
root Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: Raven FR-S Location: Hawaii Posts: 268 Thanks: 4 Thanked 80 Times in 53 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	And the thing is in the discussions and promo blurbs of this concept, part of the core concept seems to be a car for the non-enthusiast! They come out and say its a car for those not interested in cars. An inexpensive good looking car. CVT too. As opposed to our FR-S/BRZ/GT86 where the core objective was an affordable drivers car and lots of resources were spent on the driving dynamics. Not denim interior with brass zippers. Looks like the idx concept is aimed at the skinny jeans market. And if that's the case then this will be FF. An abomination to the 510. It's be a styling exercise that makes me angry like the new Beetle.

12-01-2013, 08:05 PM	#70
NWFRS Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: ‘13 FRS Location: USA Posts: 1,296 Thanks: 3,945 Thanked 1,502 Times in 634 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	CVT for sure? Nissan is doing that a lot lately. What is actually "wrong" with a CVT? Is it the future, or just Nissan's weird little thing? Are they vulnerable in some way?

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