Toyota FT-86 VS Nissan IDx FreeFlow: Battle of The Japanese Compact Cars - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

vh_supra26 · 11-25-2013, 10:54 PM

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Toyota officially revealed FT-86 Concept to the public at the 2009 Tokyo Motor Show. Shown in red the concept car is low and sleek and seem to be more of a prototype rather than a crazy concept. The FT-86 is a rear-wheel-drive layout, 2 + 2 seating configuration coupe. The compact coupe is powered by a 2.0-liter Subaru boxer engine putting 200-plus horsepower through a six-speed manual transmission.

The production version was unveiled at the 2011 Tokyo Motor Show. Sold in Japan as the Toyota 86, GT86 for Europe, and the Scion FR-S for North America. The 86 has been a hot seller, so hot that Subaru and Toyota have increased production to meet demand.

While still very early in the market, it is arguable very successful. So it is not a surprised rivals automakers are wanting a share of the pie. At this years Tokyo Motor Show Nissan showed off two concepts; the Dx Freeflow and IDx NISMO.

The back-to-basics IDx Freeflow is actually quite small measuring about 4.1 meters (161.4 inches) in length, 1.7 meters (66.9 inches) in width, and 1.3 meters (51.2 inches) in overall height. It is actually about 5.5 inches shorted than the production Toyota 86 (166.9 inches).

Our question is which do you think looks better. We all know how the FT-86 production car looks like. But we want to know what readers think when it comes to concept vs concept. Its only fair seeing how we don't know what the production Nissan IDx will look like. Do you like the sleek styling of the FT-86? Or do you prefer the retro look of the Nissan IDx FreeFlow. Let us know what you think below.

Hanni_0176 · 11-25-2013, 11:21 PM

That Nissan "Concept" is one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.

Whitigir · 11-25-2013, 11:44 PM

Nissan concept suck big time. Anyways, they are not production vehicles. They confirmed it. Instead, they have plan for two 86 rivals (rumors only)

1/ sub 2600 lbs turbo DI 1.6l, bringing 240/240 hp/torque (nismo version.) Regular is set at 210/210

2/ sub 2800 lbs NA DI 2.0l, wrench out 240/240 or 210/210.

Both will be styled after the former sylvia. They will show it off at NY show. They wont be produced until 2015 though as 2016 model. Until then 86 probably did a 2.5l upgrade, Nissan may change plan. But with those two in mind, they are not gonna loose to 86 for sure

FRSGT86 · 11-25-2013, 11:45 PM

So what retro is it supposed to be, a 510 maybe? I can sort of see that I guess.

What ever it is, sadly they missed the mark.

This much I know for sure, whatever the production car turns out to be, I won't trading in my FRS to get one!

Hanni_0176 · 11-25-2013, 11:49 PM

To me, that Concept looks like the aftermath of two semi-trucks sandwiching a Camaro on the highway.

humfrz · 11-25-2013, 11:58 PM

OOOOOO........that yellow thing could never grow on me! ..... (maybe I just don't like pale yellow) ....

humfrz

daiheadjai · 11-26-2013, 12:07 AM

Old school 510s and Celicas look way better than that monstrosity.
I like the idea, but not the execution.

vh_supra26 · 11-26-2013, 07:54 AM

How do you guys fell about their 2005 Foria concept? Nissan said it pay homage to the Silvia.

vh_supra26 · 11-26-2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitigir

Nissan concept suck big time. Anyways, they are not production vehicles. They confirmed it. Instead, they have plan for two 86 rivals (rumors only)

1/ sub 2600 lbs turbo DI 1.6l, bringing 240/240 hp/torque (nismo version.) Regular is set at 210/210

2/ sub 2800 lbs NA DI 2.0l, wrench out 240/240 or 210/210.

Both will be styled after the former sylvia. They will show it off at NY show. They wont be produced until 2015 though as 2016 model. Until then 86 probably did a 2.5l upgrade, Nissan may change plan. But with those two in mind, they are not gonna loose to 86 for sure

Yes we all know that there are not production vehicles. The whole point of the thread was to compare concept to concept styling.

Are you sure a production version will be shown at NY? We haven't even seen test mules on the road yet.

gymratter · 11-26-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitigir

Both will be styled after the former sylvia. They will show it off at NY show. They wont be produced until 2015 though as 2016 model. Until then 86 probably did a 2.5l upgrade, Nissan may change plan. But with those two in mind, they are not gonna loose to 86 for sure

i think nissan said they were styling it after the 510. also i read that we wont see a production version for at least 3 more years.

vh_supra26 · 11-26-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanni_0176

That Nissan "Concept" is one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.

Agreed, but I think this takes the cake.

NWFRS · 11-26-2013, 08:54 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I like the little beige car. It reminds me of my little Celica coupes. It doesn't look "finished" exactly, but as far as retro concepts go, I kinda like it. :-(

vh_supra26 · 11-26-2013, 08:58 AM

^Yeah it kinda does.

tennisfreak · 11-26-2013, 09:11 AM

Looks like Nissan took the already ugly Camaro, smashed it down to a baby size, and made it even uglier.

This makes a Z look good (and that ain't sayin much!)

View Poll Results: Which concept do you like better?
The sleek Toyota FT-86 Concept	213	69.16%
The retro Nissan IDx FreeFlow Concept	25	8.12%
I kind of like both concepts	70	22.73%
Voters: 308. You may not vote on this poll

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FRSGT86 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Raven FR-S, 2005 Dodge Ram Location: California - Bay Area Posts: 379 Thanks: 60 Thanked 97 Times in 76 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	So what retro is it supposed to be, a 510 maybe? I can sort of see that I guess. What ever it is, sadly they missed the mark. This much I know for sure, whatever the production car turns out to be, I won't trading in my FRS to get one! __________________ 2013 FRS 6AT in Raven!

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Whitigir Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 450 awhp twin turbo vr4 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,012 Thanks: 94 Thanked 273 Times in 177 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nissan concept suck big time. Anyways, they are not production vehicles. They confirmed it. Instead, they have plan for two 86 rivals (rumors only) 1/ sub 2600 lbs turbo DI 1.6l, bringing 240/240 hp/torque (nismo version.) Regular is set at 210/210 2/ sub 2800 lbs NA DI 2.0l, wrench out 240/240 or 210/210. Both will be styled after the former sylvia. They will show it off at NY show. They wont be produced until 2015 though as 2016 model. Until then 86 probably did a 2.5l upgrade, Nissan may change plan. But with those two in mind, they are not gonna loose to 86 for sure

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NWFRS Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: ‘13 FRS Location: USA Posts: 1,296 Thanks: 3,945 Thanked 1,502 Times in 634 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I like the little beige car. It reminds me of my little Celica coupes. It doesn't look "finished" exactly, but as far as retro concepts go, I kinda like it. :-(

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