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Like I said, to each their own. All I know is I've tried AT's and can't get used to it. I had a VW R32 with the DSG AT which is arguably one of the best ATs out there, and I sold it within 3 months. I feel like if you don't HAVE to use the paddle shifters, then there's really no point in ever using them. It sounds strange, but I'd rather them put the paddle shifters in but remove any automatic control so it still works like a manual transmission just with paddles instead of a clutch pedal and shift lever. |
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I've never had an Auto last longer than 150k miles. At that point when the vehicle needs a new transmission it is basically totaled because a new slushbox will cost more than the car is worth and a rebuild is a hope and a prayer.
I have zero confidence that this 6 speed auto will last more than 100k. New model, new tranny with extra gears, for rwd with a torsen axle. Just don't have confidence in it. In ten years this new tranny will be impossible to find, finding someone who one could trust to rebuild a low production 6 speed auto will be a huge challenge. The FRS manual is the best I have driven, better than the classic BMW/borg warner manuals. Its the sh*t. My humble opinion is that the only time an auto is a good choice for a performance car is for a turbo drag setup. Like a Buick Grand National, those were bullet proof autos that actually helped performance. The reason this car has an Auto option because the 6 gears allows institutionalized atrificial higher than real life EPA ratings. Also a few folks in their 20's don't know how to drive a manual. But I think that people that age are catching on to learn how to work a clutch. Last edited by regal; 09-23-2012 at 01:46 AM. |
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IS250 isn't as new as a BRZ. And in the IS250 the tranny handles more torque output(184lb ft). I had a 97 RL with 190k miles and my auto was smooth as butter. My RSX automatic has 115k miles on it now and is still smooth even though I abuse it in manual shift mode. |
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Fastest Auto 0-60
So forget about official times for a minute. What's the fastest recorded 0-60 times in an automatic by anyone and how were they achieved?
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if you don't ''ride" the clutch,and keep it partially engaged by resting your foot on it,then theoretically it should last a very long time,and SHOULD be trouble free,IF it is a quality built unit. again,the "throw-out" bearing has proven to be the weak link in a manual transmission,as it is a part subject to a lot of stress over time! the idea is to shift and literally "get your foot OFF the clutch!" generally means no issues! Last edited by jmaryt; 09-23-2012 at 10:49 AM. |
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Yes when you use the clutch properly it will last nearly forever. The slave cylinder will probably go first if driven right, I need to check but it should be accesible for replacement without dropping the tranny. As far as the throw-out bearing, yes it will go. But that should last well over 100k. The important thing about this is as long as the synchros last a clutch, throw-out bearing, slave cylinder can be replaced by any joe smoe mechanic (especially on this RWD car), its really easy. So in a decade, or if you screw up the clutch (everyone makes mistakes) it won't break the bank. It is much easier (less labor) to replace a clutch, throw-out bearing, surface the flywheel on this FRS than any Honda or other FWD or MR car. Working on an auto tranny is something very few people can do right, with a 6 speed auto practically no one. So when the auto tranny starts to lose 6th gear, sell |
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The clutch has an engagement point, just as the gas and brake do. None of the 3 pedals are digital inputs. They all have a range of motion in which they work in. You telling me that you (basically) wish for the clutch to operate like a light switch means that you don't understand how a manual transmission works and have not spent enough time using one. If it WERE like that, the car would be much harder to control. Could you imagine having to be fully in gear every time you back the car up? Now in this car, it is true that the full engagement point in this car is fairly high in the pedal's travel. If you're used to cars with a more linear feel then yeah it takes getting used to. Clutches don't 'go bad', they are a wear item like anything else on the car. Anyone that replaces his/her clutch after 700 miles or 5 times in 200k either just had the bad luck of having defective clutches or just plainly doesn't know how to drive. Those are rare occurrences. How are you going to let a single incident like that deter you from driving manual? How about the hundreds of forum members that drive the 6MT and have no problem? Shit, I even know an FR-S owner whose car is his first manual and he's had no problems.
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When I was trying to drive a S2000 I tried every foot trick I could find on that light ass clutch and for the love of God I swear I couldn't find the engagement point for 5 minutes. It as if its % is about 1% somewhere in the travel. Then I drove a 350Z manual and it was easier. It felt like it was around 20% vs the S2000. Its the only manual transmission car I would drive. |
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If you are so concerned about 0-60 times you should be looking at a different car. The FRS/BRZ is about the handling.
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