Most effective ways to make a "fast" NA car

[StormTrooper]

Originally Posted by EZWood

I seriously doubt most drivers could get their frs/brz into the 14's. The 14.7 these cars are supposed to run is with a professional driver on a well prepped track with perfect conditions. I think 14.5 is about a second faster than most owners are gonna run in the quarter. The best mod is a driver mod.

There's a guy in Bahrain with slips for 13.9 with
HKS headers and a remote tune.... Didn't sound like he was a shop driver or anything either.

Not saying this is typical but into the 14s should be possible for any none high school student. (barring elevation issues)

[AdrianG]

Originally Posted by jamesm

i guess 'fast' is relative... but 13.9 is not fast to most people. fwiw that's the same as the new infiniti hybrid sedan.

So it's just as fast as a car with 2 motors and almost double the displacement!

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by AdrianG

So it's just as fast as a car with 2 motors and almost double the displacement!

By those standards your average diesel cargo truck would be doing 7's!

[raul]

Originally Posted by EZWood

I seriously doubt most drivers could get their frs/brz into the 14's. The 14.7 these cars are supposed to run is with a professional driver on a well prepped track with perfect conditions. I think 14.5 is about a second faster than most owners are gonna run in the quarter. The best mod is a driver mod.

I made 2 14sec passes my very first time at the drag strip, bone stock. In hot ass FL weather. My first time in the drag strip not only with the car, but in my life.

[krulux]

Take the same GT86 and let 10 drivers run down the 1/4 mile in it.

You'll see a 2 sec spread every time... driver skill, the launch and even luck plays a part in elapsed times. (As well as wind, elevation, fuel, tire temperature etc...)

Subjectively - a good solid bolt-on GT should run in the high 13's/low 14's all things equal. I agree - if you want it faster force induct it or sell it and by something with moar powwahh!

[EZWood]

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

There's a guy in Bahrain with slips for 13.9 with
HKS headers and a remote tune.... Didn't sound like he was a shop driver or anything either.

Not saying this is typical but into the 14s should be possible for any none high school student. (barring elevation issues)

Originally Posted by raul

I made 2 14sec passes my very first time at the drag strip, bone stock. In hot ass FL weather. My first time in the drag strip not only with the car, but in my life.

you're probably not a typical driver. most people i know don't have the skill or understanding to pull that off. my local strip just reopened and bfore they closed they didnt prep the track once the night i was there and i ran a low 15. i consider myself to be a very competent driver, but its not always the driver. i expect to drop at least a half of a second next time i go if they know how to prep a track.
and stormtrooper i was referring to a stock car on stock tires, not a car with prettymuch every bolt on, an e85 tune an r compound drag radials.

[1086]

5's and 6's

http://www.carswatcher.com/Article/4...00hp-drag-race

[fenton]

Originally Posted by 1086

how much total horsepower / torque can be gained NA in your opinion? given the OP's mods + FB manifold? can we possibly expect seeing 220-230 whp somewhat soon down the road? which would translate in a roughly +50-60whp gain....too optimistic? Or is a +80 whp gain possible as campy suggested.... If a +80 whp gain IS indeed realistic NA, then there isn't much of a point in buying some of these stg1 s/c or turbo kits eh?

There need to be some real engineering breakthroughs to get anywhere near to what you are talking about.

Right now about peak NA gains are at about 195 to 205, this translates into about 20 to 30whp. Your asking to double it.....thats ALOT.

Plus the people that are over 200whp NA have usually spent 3000 or more in mods.

[1086]

I wasn't making any claims, I was just asking what possibilities there are in the near future. I know that right now it hasn't been done yet - and I imagine, like you said, someone will have to spend quite a bit to reach high NA numbers, but then again, you never know right? This engine seems to have a nice pair of

[Sypher]

I'm thinking its just a matter of time and $$$$$ until we see 250whp NA builds. By time i mean years of course but it will be done. If the guys on the S30 Z forums can get 300+hp NA builds on a motor with most of its design done in the 60s i can only imagine what can be done with these engines and today's tech.

my guess is its going to take new internals, cams, head work, full bolt-on's and a good tune but i'm sure it will be done down the road.

[Indestruct]

My Route is OFT, OFH, E85... maybe electric super charger. Most cost effective way to make any car faster is to strip it. Remove the junk in the trunk and back seat...

[StormTrooper]

Originally Posted by EZWood

you're probably not a typical driver. most people i know don't have the skill or understanding to pull that off. my local strip just reopened and bfore they closed they didnt prep the track once the night i was there and i ran a low 15. i consider myself to be a very competent driver, but its not always the driver. i expect to drop at least a half of a second next time i go if they know how to prep a track.
and stormtrooper i was referring to a stock car on stock tires, not a car with prettymuch every bolt on, an e85 tune an r compound drag radials.

Pretty sure that guy was on 93oct with just exhaust and 225 Street tires....

I know we have a lot of bro dawg former neon and civic drivers but I doubt everyone is inept at driving.

[fooddude]

4.56 gains 3+ cars over stock. 4.88 would be even nicer ..too high rpm on highway with short fd some may say? ..thats good- less tickets and it forces you to take it easy on DD commutes. Save the rippin' for racing and tracks

[bfrank1972]

Originally Posted by fooddude

4.56 gains 3+ cars over stock. 4.88 would be even nicer ..too high rpm on highway with short fd some may say? ..thats good- less tickets and it forces you to take it easy on DD commutes. Save the rippin' for racing and tracks

3+ cars? That's really surprising to me - shorter overall gearing will make it pull 'harder' and feel 'faster', but you have to shift sooner/more often. I guess if you're comparing something like a run in just 4th gear where the short geared car never shifts you might see something like that, but as soon as the short geared car shifts the stock geared car should start closing the gap.