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Also, track prepping a BRZ is really as simple as camber bolts, thicker oil and better brake pads/fluid for most of us. Maybe wheels, tires and oil coolers. You don't need to do anything else, it's very much like the STI in that way for $10,000 less. People do crazy things to wrxs, stis, m3s, gtrs and sell them too. Look at the nasioc classifieds. There is a 530WHP fully built and track prepped sti for sale for 25k on the first page. There are always cars with crazy blood, sweat and money spent being sold for peanuts. This insanity occurs everywhere in the car modding community. Why do people do this? Because we all are brain washed consumers that need to consume more and more. Better and faster and shinier and etc. Hedonic adaptation. |
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He said track prepped supercharged car. People are getting base 2015 STI's for $32K-33k. You ain't getting into a properly setup track supercharged BRZ for less than that even if you do most of the labor yourself. And even then you probably can't take an STI.
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At any rate, all economy based sporty cars are going to have compromises. Of course the WRX does as it is going to be heavier and larger than say a Lotus Elise. But the twins are far from not being compromised either. Day one the power displacement was a compromise. And yes, you can spend a ton of money modifying the car to give it much better performance, but at that point you can get yourself in a much faster car that is stock. The upcoming Miata ND is going to be significantly lighter than the twins, does that make the FR-S/BRZ compromised too? The twins are really fun cars, and I agree are inexpensive to track. But the premise that it is cheap and easy to add power is somewhat misleading. I followed Dezoris from day one and I felt he was one of the more honest people here when discussing modifications in terms of time, money, and pain points. I suspect this one of the reasons why you see so many modified twins being sold, some of them with very low miles and heavily modified less than a year. I love fun RWD cars. I would love to add an S2K, Miata, twin to my garage again at some point, but I view these types of cars as toys that will simply get driven much less than say a WRX because they are very impractical where I live, and especially since I have a family. |
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I'd love to be @DSOmegaX, but I think I might be joining @thill and @TONYpepperon1 when the 2016's come out.
I don't suppose any of you have any thoughts on the CVT compared to the auto in the BRZ? |
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I haven't driven the WRX CVT, but I've driven their XV CVT. It's pretty smooth and not as odd as older ones. It almost feels like it has ratios.
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Returning to the seat *issue*. I just drove my BRZ 1000 miles in 1 day (FL to NJ).. and 1000 miles a week ago (NJ to FL). Wasn't planning to, but the truck broke down the day before the trip (Daytona Bike Week).
And.. I was comfortable the whole way. No way would I survive the trip if I was in the stock WRX seat. I'm sure some folks find it comfy enough, but not me.. BRZ seats FTW! Oh and I had fun and it was very easy to get around traffic creators (the a-holes squatting in left lane at speed limit.. or lower). AND... I averaged 33mpg on the trip. |
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I come from a long line of WRX and STi. I had the opportunity to drive my friends stock FRS for a week because I am on the fence about buying a BRZ or E90 (yes, i want the 4 door) M3. My 2012 WRX has more practical usable power on a daily basis. The AWD is practical; I get about 21-23 mpg on an average of city driving. It is a lot easier to fit more people in the WRX because it has more room and has four doors. I hate pulling my seat forward all the time to let others in. Now, however, I do like the steering wheel of the FRS better. The seat is more comfortable. You feel like you sit low even though it has the same clearance as a WRX. The seating position is spot on. The torque doe, i mean lack of it is a nuisance unless I'm in a lower gear. But if you ever own a few Honda, revving the crap out of it is an enjoyment so that doesn't bother me so much. If your single, I think the Twin is an awesome car for a young, inexperience driver. Just remember about the cost of ownership between the two. Insurance on a WRX will cost more then a BRZ in general, variables play a factor of course, could be vice versa. I'm 30 so my insurance is first cheap, $80 for full coverage and all the side trimmings for my WRX, USAA.
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Reviving a dead thread.
After much debate, I traded in my BRZ for a '15 STi. The desire for more space, a quieter cabin, and more torque/hp won out in the end. The STi is absolutely excellent. Grip levels are high, handling is sharp, engine is smooth, and the AWD system is absolutely confidence inspiring. On top of that, my kid fits in the back with room to spare. But, owning an STi (and driving it on the same canyon roads that I'd driven the BRZ on many many times) has also made me realize just how great the BRZ is. The 86 is so communicative, and making it do what you want is effortless. It's an absolute blast to drive (especially once you do something about that torque dip), and IMHO a hell of a deal. I'm pretty much just repeating what some people above have already said, but "BRZ v. WRX" is ultimately going to depend on what you're looking for. Both are excellent cars, just different. You can't really go wrong with either, unless you're trying to fit your family of 4 into your BRZ for an extended road trip. Then you're going to have a bad time. |
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LOL. Just took a family of four on a road trip. Yes, it sucked, but I got a track day out of it.
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