When will we start to see camo mules and real news about the next model

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

I can see it losing the boxer tbh.

If the boxer goes the whole car will go with it.

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If the boxer goes the whole car will go with it.

don't think they make electric boxer motors...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nextcar

don't think they make electric boxer motors...

And I don't think they will make a hybrid 86.

[mazeroni]

Mules? Maybe 2021.

On sale in US 2023.

That gives the car a 10 year lifecycle.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Right! It would be very cool! My buddy has two Delorean's. One concourse car with only a few miles and one of the ten factory turbocharged versions... The doors go UUUUPP! Anyway, I photochopped the drawing of an FR-S to look like one.

All you need is money.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by nextcar

don't think they make electric boxer motors...

Subaru, like Toyota and other manufacturers, has announced in different ways that they will move to HV & EV over the next decade

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

All you need is money.

I like 300sl style, not lambo style. And, the roof would be different, adding weight up top, would change the cars low COG. It really is more of a thought, than a good idea.... Those lambo door kits look terrible anyway....

[ST185RC]

Originally Posted by Wise

There were small news tidbits about the 86/BRZ replacement a year ago. Stuff about hybrid powertrains, etc. Most outlets said it would be a 2019-2020 release. Much more likely to be 2020 now though.

It seems like it's gone all quiet on the Eastern front from Toyota now. Compared to the initial development cycle for the 86 where we saw renderings and concepts almost 4 years out and the new 'Supra' which was unveiled as the FT-1 back in 14 and spy shots of the production car started showing up roughly two years ago.

When do you think we'll start seeing the news torrent and spy shots on the twins replacement?

There's a turbo version next year. or the year before, or the year before that, or even before that. But for sure next year.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

If they want me to buy another one, it would have to go to a conventional L4 or V6 engine.

So what you are saying is that you want the Supra. Sounds like mission accomplished at Toyota HQ.

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by Spuds

So what you are saying is that you want the Supra. Sounds like mission accomplished at Toyota HQ.

If it weighs in at 2700lbs? Yeah, maybe. Is it a done deal or vaporware?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

If it weighs in at 2700lbs? Yeah, maybe. Is it a done deal or vaporware?

MKV
Wheelbase 2,470 mm (97.2 in)
Length 4380 mm (172.4 in)
Width 1855 mm (73 in)
Height 1,290 mm (50.8 in)
Curb weight 1,496 kg (3,284 lb)
Engine: 3.0L turbo inline-six with 335 hp and 332 lb-ft, plus 37 lb-ft overboot.
Transmission: 8 speed auto transmission.
Tires: 225/50/17 front, 255/45/17 rear

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

MKV
Wheelbase 2,470 mm (97.2 in)
Length 4380 mm (172.4 in)
Width 1855 mm (73 in)
Height 1,290 mm (50.8 in)
Curb weight 1,496 kg (3,284 lb)
Engine: 3.0L turbo inline-six with 335 hp and 332 lb-ft, plus 37 lb-ft overboot.
Transmission: 8 speed auto transmission.
Tires: 225/50/17 front, 255/45/17 rear

Weight=3284 FAIL

So they built another GenesisStang. Big deal and late to that party.

No sale.

Next?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by NOHOME

Weight=3284 FAIL

So they built another GenesisStang. Big deal and late to that party.

No sale.

Next?

Well, when you increase torque, you need to beef up the chassis to handle it, which adds weight. That weight necessitates further increase in beefing up the chassis, brakes and safety-related structural bits. Add in the fact that this was designed as a roadster (by BMW who no longer knows how to make a lightweight car), then adding a fixed roof, and it is a bit of a miracle they kept it under 3500 lb.

[Dadhawk]

In regards to weight, I have to wonder if it's even possible to build a production car under 3,000lbs any longer. I couldn't find more recent specs, but according to this article from the NTHSA between 1968 and 2012 the weight of mandatory safety equipment went from 10lbs to 171 pounds (an over 1600% increase), not to mention the $1,900 in cost (see table below).

That doesn't include "Convenience" features we all demand as standard now (A/C, electric windows, cup holders, advanced radio systems, cruise control, etc) that were not standard on 1968 cars.