Questionable dealership service

[billwot]

Originally Posted by Eighty 6

From what op is saying they are useless so talking to them wont do anything, thats why he needs to ( if hes that pissed off ) document how sloppy their management is. And youre saying that if the oil light comes on thats it, he has a blown engine? What is it there for? Might as well not have it. Thats like saying that when the fuel light comes on its too late.

The oil light usually means the pump is not flowing any oil. No fuel being delivered, no big deal...no oil, now that's a pretty serious condition. Your probably only a few minutes from serious damage. When the fuel light comes on, you usually have 1-2 gallons remaining, when the oil light comes on, the oil pump is probably cavitating.

[Ultramaroon]

For every fraction of a second that oil light flickers, serious damage is happening. Might not immediately spin a bearing but I guarantee that engine's lifespan just shortened by 10K miles.

[humfrz]

It's just too damn bad cars cannot have "real" oil pressure gauges anymore.

Why can't we? Because too many people do not understand what engine oil pressure is all about.

"OMG! when I first started my car, the oil pressure read 60 psi ........ a few miles later it only reads 30 psi ........ I want a new engine, under warranty ......"


humfrz

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by humfrz

It's just too damn bad cars cannot have "real" oil pressure gauges anymore.

Why can't we? Because too many people do not understand what engine oil pressure is all about.

"OMG! when I first started my car, the oil pressure read 60 psi ........ a few miles later it only reads 30 psi ........ I want a new engine, under warranty ......"

I thought dropping them was just a cost-cutting measure but that makes sense. My Eclipse had an oil pressure gauge.

On a related note, I thought my water temps were rock solid on both my Eclipse and this one. Imagine my disappointment when a few months ago someone here explained to me that once the gauge reaches normal, unless there's a drastic change in temp, it just sits there.

There's a reason they're called "idiot lights."

edit: Tcoat said it first.

They are called "idiot lights" for a reason and should never be trusted one way or the other.
Nothing beats a good gauge for such things.

[justin6280]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I purchased a qt of oil to put in so at least it isn't as low as before.

I'll update this thread when I contact the service manager. Hopefully there will be some type of compensation.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by justin6280

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I purchased a qt of oil to put in so at least it isn't as low as before.

I'll update this thread when I contact the service manager. Hopefully there will be some type of compensation.

Most of the time they'll give you a gift card or give you free oil changes or something extending your service boost or something

[stugray]

Originally Posted by billwot

The oil light usually means the pump is not flowing any oil. No fuel being delivered, no big deal...no oil, now that's a pretty serious condition. Your probably only a few minutes from serious damage. When the fuel light comes on, you usually have 1-2 gallons remaining, when the oil light comes on, the oil pump is probably cavitating.

That is why I mentioned above that the engine will likely detect AVCS response errors before the oil is so low that the oil light comes on steady.


If the oil is leaking very slowly (like a dripping drain plug) then the pump will start cavitating early on during cornering as the oil pickup pulls some air and this will be infrequent at first, but get worse slowly as the oil leaks.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by humfrz

What do I do now? Before taking the car in for service, I mark the tires and mark the oil filter. I put a BIG note on the dash DO NOT WASH THIS CAR! After the service, before I leave the establishment, I check to make sure the tires were rotated, the oil filter was changed, the proper amount of new oil was in the crankcase and their isn't any oil dripping from the drain plug.
humfrz

I wish I could find it, but a few years back I saw a picture of an oil filter that had a big "X" scratched into the top and instead of changing it, the mechanic just took a Sharpie and tried to fill in the "X"!

But yeah, when I still took it to the dealer I marked the filter and the tires too. I discovered on tire rotations, dealers no longer do (what I consider) the standard rotation either, they just move back to front front to back on the same side vs what I was taught which is back to front, front to opposite side back so your tires truly rotate through every corner of the car.

Now that I'm out of warranty (and no longer getting the service for free), I just do it all at home anyway. A Fumoto Drain Valve makes oil changes so easy.

Anyway, OP always do a post-maintenance walk around. Everyone has a bad day and even the best garages can make a mistake.

Hopefully they didn't cross-thread and strip the hole in your oil pan.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Eighty 6

I'll bet anything its a wrongly inserted washer, probably with the wrong tools, important thing is that they didnt damage the groove( where it fits if thats the correct word ) or else things get a bit complicated.

I actually think it's the opposite: OP's oil drain plug has the original washer still painted to it.

See my post from 2013:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54142

[Braces]

Originally Posted by humfrz

It's just too damn bad cars cannot have "real" oil pressure gauges anymore.

Why can't we? Because too many people do not understand what engine oil pressure is all about.

"OMG! when I first started my car, the oil pressure read 60 psi ........ a few miles later it only reads 30 psi ........ I want a new engine, under warranty ......"


humfrz

Hey Humfrz,

Next time ... just drop one of your viagra pills in the oil. That will get the pressure up.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Braces

Hey Humfrz,

Next time ... just drop one of your viagra pills in the oil. That will get the pressure up.

Hey, @Braces , ..... I don't use Viagra pills anymore.

Why? Because I forgot where I put them. Besides, by the time they kicked in, I'd forgotten that I took them ....... and had fallen asleep .......

(at least, they kept me from rolling out of bed)



humfrz

[justin6280]

UPDATE: So after about 10 phonecalls of going straight to voicemail since Saturday, I decided to just drive up there myself and talk to them in person.

They checked my car for leaks and found out that the gasket needed to be replaced. So they did that and filled my car with new oil as well. I'm satisfied since it only took about 45 minutes

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by humfrz

hmmmm......first off, @justin6280 , if then car is more than a quart low, I'd suggest you put some oil in it before you drive it anywhere.

Can you tell where the oil is leaking from ..... around the oil filter .. ?? Around the crankcase drain plug .. ?? Other place(s) .. ?? It would be good to know this before you took in in.

How much is it leaking ... enough to puddle up on the floor/driveway .. ??

Has stuff ever happened to me like that. Oh, heck yes. I've left the dealership with leaking oil filters ..... filters that weren't changed .... spark plugs that weren't changed .... car washed with recycled water and comet cleanser (I suspected) ...... tires that weren't rotated ...... and that's all I want to remember .......

What do I do now? Before taking the car in for service, I mark the tires and mark the oil filter. I put a BIG note on the dash DO NOT WASH THIS CAR! After the service, before I leave the establishment, I check to make sure the tires were rotated, the oil filter was changed, the proper amount of new oil was in the crankcase and their isn't any oil dripping from the drain plug.

In your case, I suggest you follow the recommendations of @Tcoat ..... not so much @Hotrodheart. Which reminds me, I always take my loaded .45 ACP out of the glovebox before I drop off the car .......... the FIRST time .....

I believe most dealerships want to please ...... but, many of them have some lazy, unfocused, ill trained, irresponsible employees ......

I suspect they will make it right for you and your car ......


humfrz

Oh the 1800s what a simpler time

[fumanchu1]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or the complete opposite. Like any sensor they can fail and tell you there is low pressure when all is actually fine. I spent days and a pile of cash once chasing oil pressure issues just to discover it was a loose connection on the bloody sensor.
They are called "idiot lights" for a reason and should never be trusted one way or the other.
Nothing beats a good gauge for such things.

I had such a good picture response for what a good Gauge is but am at work and searching for Gauge pics would probably have brought quite a few NSFW result that could get me relieved from my position if you know what I mean.