Why I think Toyota has advantage so far vs Subaru

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

I probably could've worded my first post better.

I have no problem with the fact it's a Toyota/Subaru (I think they are both great companies). I just have a problem with everyone acting like the car is a Subaru, and Toyota is somehow mooching off of Subaru.

somehow i never got that feeling. most people who knows the history of the development like to credit Subaru for the engineering.

for those of who knows the history. they almost all agreed that, Toyota front the money, the proposal, and manage the project. they also all agreed that Subaru perform most the engineering, incorporates the technology from both company and produce this car.

so when people say the car is Subaru, they are just attributing the engineering effort. but never the less, the GT86/BRZ is a end product of both companies.

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

somehow i never got that feeling. most people who knows the history of the development like to credit Subaru for the engineering.

for those of who knows the history. they almost all agreed that, Toyota front the money, the proposal, and manage the project. they also all agreed that Subaru perform most the engineering, incorporates the technology from both company and produce this car.

so when people say the car is Subaru, they are just attributing the engineering effort. but never the less, the GT86/BRZ is a end product of both companies.

It's generally people who are Subaru fans, and probably dislike Toyota/Scion. Not necessarily people who are uneducated, but those who like to read what they want to read.

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

It's generally people who are Subaru fans, and probably dislike Toyota/Scion. Not necessarily people who are uneducated, but those who like to read what they want to read.

i think at that point, all we can do is set the story stright and move on.

i mean, even the subby fans are complaining that why isnt a STi out yet? why isnt it AWD, why isnt it turbo... and how this isnt a true subaru....

people sometime...

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by wu_dot_com

i think at that point, all we can do is set the story stright and move on.

i mean, even the subby fans are complaining that why isnt a STi out yet? why isnt it AWD, why isnt it turbo... and how this isnt a true subaru....

people sometime...

Agreed. I actually had some teenagers tell me my car is the new Supra (Toyota just decided to change the name). I just agreed and went on my way. I love when people tell you about your car, like you don't know anything about it.

[houseofsuffering]

This was obviously a troll thread and it makes my head hurt.

But I love this picture

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by houseofsuffering

This was obviously a troll thread and it makes my head hurt.

But I love this picture

personally i want the proof of concept car.

think about it. driving that beast down the street you know you are going to get heads turned

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

It's generally people who are Subaru fans, and probably dislike Toyota/Scion. Not necessarily people who are uneducated, but those who like to read what they want to read.

There's actually two different stories from Toyota and Subaru about the early development and who really took charge. My understanding of the basic similarities between the two stories is that they did share costs and both had engineers and designers involved in the project at some point. I'm not really biased to either one per se as I like to think they tried to keep it 50:50 as much as was reasonably possible. But, for example, we know Toyota is doing most of the marketing.

The issue I see Toyota/Subaru fans get stuck on and make an issue of is the majority of the individual cars were built/assembled by Subaru, excluding the D4S system and a couple other parts like the audio. That ignores the huge investment in design and engineering that was involved. Plus some people hate the boxer or more likely just hate the mac struts front suspension, right @fatoni?

And then there's the anti-Scion crowd... anyway.

I haven't seen that pic yet, houseofsuffering.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

There's actually two different stories from Toyota and Subaru about the early development and who really took charge. My understanding of the basic similarities between the two stories is that they did share costs and both had engineers and designers involved in the project at some point. I'm not really biased to either one per se as I like to think they tried to keep it 50:50 as much as was reasonably possible. But, for example, we know Toyota is doing most of the marketing.

The issue I see Toyota/Subaru fans get stuck on and make an issue of is the majority of the individual cars were built/assembled by Subaru, excluding the D4S system and a couple other parts like the audio. That ignores the huge investment in design and engineering that was involved. Plus some people hate the boxer or more likely just hate the mac struts front suspension, right @fatoni?

And then there's the anti-Scion crowd... anyway.

I haven't seen that pic yet, houseofsuffering.

haha, i dont hate struts or boxer motors. what i hate is how people act like certain aspects, despte how well or poorly executed, are enough to say what is going to be a better complete package.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by fatoni

haha, i dont hate struts or boxer motors. what i hate is how people act like certain aspects, despte how well or poorly executed, are enough to say what is going to be a better complete package.

See, that's why I mentioned you.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

See, that's why I mentioned you.

its pavlovian how i respond to posts on this forum. i dont know if that says more about me or this forum.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

I also agree with Einstein in these quotes:

“The only source of knowledge is experience.” (all what Subaru had on flat engines and suspensions)

“Information is not knowledge.”

“Learning is experience. Everything else is just information.”

“Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible” (300hp N/A 2.5L )

Maybe worth noting there are plenty of Toyota sports cars while this is arguably a first for Sunday

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by fatoni

Maybe worth noting there are plenty of Toyota sports cars while this is arguably a first for Sunday

Subaru.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by fatoni

Maybe worth noting there are plenty of Toyota sports cars while this is arguably a first for Sunday

Lol nice typo, I had to think a little for that one

But true Toyota likes to do it and "knew" how to

Subaru knows how to, but never felt like it

Why?

[Hanakuso]

Someone go weigh the Scion and Subaru badges and find out which 1 weighs less to find out which is truly the better lightweight sports car. My money is on the Scion badge. That should teach those Subaru fanboys they got the watered down version HA!