How fast is the GT86 on track?

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

How many videos have you seen where the vette driver won't go WOT until they're pointed straight *after* the corner? How many of these drivers smoothly transition from partial to full throttle?

So wait. We're NOT supposed to stab frantically at the throttle while jerking at the steering wheel?? I've been doing this all wrong!

For seriously though, aren't you supposed to roll into the throttle after the apex and use it to push the car out to the track-out point?

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

How many videos have you seen where the vette driver won't go WOT until they're pointed straight *after* the corner? How many of these drivers smoothly transition from partial to full throttle?

These are skills that you most likely will not learn in a vette.

And if you do use a Vette in which to learn them, you may well end up needing more than one Vette to do it in.

Originally Posted by gramicci101

For seriously though, aren't you supposed to roll into the throttle after the apex and use it to push the car out to the track-out point?

Yes, it should take you a couple to a few tenths to go flat with a non-stab of the throttle at the apex - depending upon the corner, and the car, and the driver.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If you want fast for cheap, the C5Z is the way to go. I can guarantee that you'll be using the power as a crutch though.

How many videos have you seen where the vette driver won't go WOT until they're pointed straight *after* the corner? How many of these drivers smoothly transition from partial to full throttle?

These are skills that you most likely will not learn in a vette.

That's a good point too. The FR-S is so gentle, I can try different lines and techniques, and still gather the car up when things go south. It'd be much easier to lose it with 400+ hp and loads of torque.

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Out of curiosity, among the C5-Z, C6-GS, and KWSC-BRZ, which did you enjoy the most at the track? BTW hope you don't mind me picking your brain a bit, just rare to find someone who's tried most of the routes I'm considering.

I think this car is the most fun but I am not sure if it's due to nimbleness or the suspension mods and tires..because in my previous cars I never made drastic changes such as coilovers, supercharget kis, aero mods.. etc.. It was more like basic bolt ons and some good brakes and tires ..that's it

with all said, I think everyone should own a Vette in their lifetime at least once to get the feeling of the proper supercars..

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If you want fast for cheap, the C5Z is the way to go. I can guarantee that you'll be using the power as a crutch though.

How many videos have you seen where the vette driver won't go WOT until they're pointed straight *after* the corner? How many of these drivers smoothly transition from partial to full throttle?

These are skills that you most likely will not learn in a vette.

Mike, I agree with you on your last sentence since Vette may not be a good beginner car Miata or BRZ/FRS might be a lot better..

but even in the hands of a professional driver, Corvette cannot be driven the same way so you have to respect the power..too early on the throttle and/or WOT and it'll bite your ass..

for god's sake car makes about 350 lb-ft at IDLE..I repeat IDLE so I'd say it's more like the relative speed since it's a lot more compared to slower cars.. due to amount of power, not necessarily as a crutch..

also transmission cannot be rushed like the smaller japanese cars like Randy Pobst once said "it's a great transmission but you can't rush it"

let's put it into a perspective, you will see that the Vette is in a different universe (btw, it says "Z06" in the graph but it's a LS3 with basic bolt ons since Z06 typically makes about 460 whp on dynoject)

Originally Posted by gramicci101

So wait. We're NOT supposed to stab frantically at the throttle while jerking at the steering wheel?? I've been doing this all wrong!

For seriously though, aren't you supposed to roll into the throttle after the apex and use it to push the car out to the track-out point?

do I sense a bit of sarcasm or you are really serious about that

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If you want fast for cheap, the C5Z is the way to go. I can guarantee that you'll be using the power as a crutch though.

How many videos have you seen where the vette driver won't go WOT until they're pointed straight *after* the corner? How many of these drivers smoothly transition from partial to full throttle?

These are skills that you most likely will not learn in a vette.

How to run down a C5 Z06 with only 200whp....

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd43lGqHQy4"]Subaru BRZ at Atlanta Motor Speedway with Just Track It 7/26/14 - YouTube[/ame]


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In all seriousness though I do get asked by multiple spectators at every track event I've driven recently if my car is FI and they are always surprised by my response that it's still n/a. When you take your time to set these cars up properly with quality suspension and braking components with sticky tires, aggressive alignment, and enough weight reduction they can be pretty quick without boost.

I still would like a modest 9psi or so through a C30-94 Rotrex SC though, for a reliable 280-300whp with E85

Originally Posted by LoCo

Now my question is - how fast/slow is a well driven 86 on the track compared to semi stock-ish evos, stis and the other usual track suspects? On a 1.45 lap - how much time difference can I expect? I would ofcourse mod the car towards trackability (basic boltons, tune, brakes, slicks)...

See above and also click the link in my signature to view my build thread which has a ton of NA track footage among other "fast" sports cars which should give you a good point of reference. Or you can just go straight to my YouTube Channel

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

How to run down a C5 Z06 with only 200whp....

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with all due respect, in a course like that you should never be able to see a Z06 even a regular FRC Vette (C5) would leave you in a dust..simply because it's just in a different league

he was probably an inexperienced guy and possibly an old folk who is discussing his AARP membership with other Vette owners between sessions..
ask me how I know the typical Vette owner

I can easily pass many of the GT-Rs and GT3, GT3RS cars even some Ferraris at lapping days..does that make me a superior driver? or mean my car is faster? absolutely NOT, it just makes them inexperienced drivers that's all..

there was this one time (when I had the C5 Z06 with bolt ons) a guy in his Civic tried to race me on the highway and I was driving in cruise control..my car kept pulling on him when pushing the "+" on my cruise control..

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by glamcem

with all due respect, in a course like that you should never be able to see a Z06 even a regular FRC Vette (C5) would leave you in a dust..simply because it's just in a different league

he was probably an inexperienced guy and possibly an old folk who is discussing his AARP membership with other Vette owners between sessions..
ask me how I know the typical Vette owner

I can easily pass many of the GT-Rs and GT3, GT3RS cars even some Ferraris at lapping days..does that make me a superior driver? or mean my car is faster? absolutely NOT, it just makes them inexperienced drivers that's all..

Agree completely, I hope you sensed my sarcasm. The Vette could have easily dusted me and the driver matched your stereotype perfectly. As I have several times before with Cayman S, GT3's, Vettes and other faster cars on track, my ability to work a point-by out of their drivers just means that sometimes I get lucky and it makes for entertaining GoPro footage

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Agree completely, I hope you sensed my sarcasm. The Vette could have easily dusted me and the driver matched your stereotype perfectly. As I have several times before with Cayman S, GT3's, Vettes and other faster cars on track, my ability to work a point-by out of their drivers just means that sometimes I get lucky and it makes for entertaining GoPro footage

if you were behind the wheel of that Z06 it would be a scary ride and fast ride for sure (driver factor) because it requires some serious man berries to drive a Vette at limits (especially for the passenger)..

regardless, good driving

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by glamcem

if you were behind the wheel of that Z06 it would be a scary ride and fast ride for sure (driver factor) because it requires some serious man berries to drive a Vette at limits (especially for the passenger)..

regardless, good driving

I can affirm this is true. I was the passenger in a C7 Vette that was running 1:40 pace at Summit Point Shenandoah on street tires, and not going to lie, that was a bit scary never having rode with the driver before.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by LoCo

P.s. I have no intention of boosting the car anytime soon so answers should relate to NA.

Here's pro driver Charles Espenlaub driving @smbstyle 's BRZ at Sebring and cranking a 2:39 out of it. Completely stock motor, double-adjustable coilovers, and 215/45/17 Nitto NT-01 R-compound tires.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-qDQ2d7vas"]Espenlaub in the BRZ at Sebring - YouTube[/ame]

He loved the car, couldn't believe how well it drove and handled, and how it was just a point and shoot car.

Originally Posted by LoCo

However ... I am competitive.

As far as true competition goes, and not just having fun at a DE, there are some good examples out there to show some perspective on how this relatively new platform is stacking up. Here's a n/a car setting a lap record at Tsukuba circuit. Still running a FA20 engine and using parts available off the TRD shelf:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Tue_zyMQI"]86 TRD Griffon Concept 5th test - YouTube[/ame]


Another n/a car at Road Atlanta setting the winning time and new class lap record of 1:43.92 in Enthusiast RWD at Global Time Attack. Basically just coilovers, tune, and sticky street tires.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlEX2a6jf-M"]Global Time Attack Road Atlanta 2013 Element Tuning FRS Win - YouTube[/ame]

[Sleepless]

Originally Posted by glamcem

Are you referring to the valve springs? because I had my valve spring fail on me once but I didn't blow the engine.. it's a pretty easy and cheap upgrade for some reason C5 Z06 engines use yellow, german made valve springs (not sure why, lol) and I upgraded them with 800whp rated US made ones ..easy fix..

if I knew it earlier that would be my first upgrade for sure

Yes, springs. Apparently even the uprated springs break. A friend just had it happen. Just something to keep in mind for possible costs.

Anyway, I had a C5 Z06, it was fast and fun and had the best soundtrack, but the feel was numb; it's a sledgehammer. I find the BRZ much more fun. I love how you can feel each contact patch.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by Sleepless

Anyway, I had. C5Z06, it was fast and fun and had the best soundtrack, but the feel was numb; it's a sledgehammer. I find the BRZ much more fun.

If the Vette is a sledgehammer then the BRZ must be an x-acto knife

[glamcem]

Originally Posted by Sleepless

Yes, springs. Apparently even the uprated springs break. A friend just had it happen. Just something to keep in mind for possible costs.

Anyway, I had. AC5Z06, it was fast and fun and had the best soundtrack, but the feel was numb; it's a sledgehammer. I find the BRZ much more fun. I love how you can feel each contact patch.

yes, but like I said it's a very easy and cheap fix ..my friend didn't change his springs and never ran into same issue..

I agree with your comment on the numb steering feel but in the mean time I never tried PFADT coilovers or other suspension upgrades..people seem to like their C6 GS with DRM Bilsteins and they claim bushing and sway bar upgrades do wonders but I don't know ..I think..I still prefer the feel of the BRZ though..

[Deep Six]

Originally Posted by glamcem

Are you referring to the valve springs? because I had my valve spring fail on me once but I didn't blow the engine.. it's a pretty easy and cheap upgrade for some reason C5 Z06 engines use yellow, german made valve springs (not sure why, lol) and I upgraded them with 800whp rated US made ones ..easy fix..

if I knew it earlier that would be my first upgrade for sure

It's a little off topic but the valve issue was a LS7 issue specifically several motors popped due to exhaust valves dropping. The general thought is that faulty head production from 06 to 11 (valve guides) was the root cause.