What attributes should Toyota and Subaru retain in the Second Generation FT-86 (aka - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Yoniyama · 10-01-2019, 10:50 PM

Dear Tada-san,

We are excited about the second generation FT-86. When you try to improve the FT-86, please retain the following attributes of the first generation FT-86:

(1) Pricing - the current FT-86 delivers 90% of the performance for 50% of the price of a Supra. This is a tremendous value proposition. Please keep pricing in line with current offering, ie about US$30,000 (pre-tax) for the US and Japan markets.

(2) No turbo or hybrid engine, a boxer-4 normally aspirated engine will be best. Incorporation of the Toyota New Dynamic Force technology to boost power and efficiency will be much appreciated.

(3) Keep it modification friendly and easy.

(4) Keep away all the non-driving related gadgets, no need for power seats, seat heating, seat massage, inter-net connectivity, automatic driving, power sunroof, or electronic suspension.

(5) Keep the mechanical limited slip differential and manual transmission.

(6) Keep the design pure and simple.

After all, please remember: 'Primum non nocere - first, do no harm'.

Thank you.

soundman98 · 10-01-2019, 11:25 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137072

86MLR · 10-01-2019, 11:32 PM

Nitrous

soundman98 · 10-01-2019, 11:37 PM

can i ask for a hot girl that loves being the passenger on long drives, listens to good music, and always knows where the good burger joints are on road trips?

Lantanafrs2 · 10-01-2019, 11:40 PM

That list is well intentioned but ridiculous. Why no turbo?

soundman98 · 10-01-2019, 11:48 PM

i want a 2 liter v12. supercharged.

KR-S · 10-01-2019, 11:53 PM

I want pop-up headlights. Subaru version can have fixed lights.

NoHaveMSG · 10-02-2019, 12:26 AM

I wish they would include a slow moving vehicle triangle to stick on the back.

Spuds · 10-02-2019, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I wish they would include a slow moving vehicle triangle to stick on the back.

So flip the center reflector?

NoHaveMSG · 10-02-2019, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spuds

So flip the center reflector?

You are a genius

Lantanafrs2 · 10-02-2019, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I wish they would include a slow moving vehicle triangle to stick on the back.

Trd part. 1500 bucks, 6 month wait

Lantanafrs2 · 10-02-2019, 12:55 AM

Please no new motors. Use one from an existing platform with turbo. Dont need anymore recall fatigue

CrowsFeast · 10-02-2019, 07:51 AM

One tweak to number 4: mine has heated seats and living in Canada I'm quite happy about that (already started using them).

Turbos can be saved to be added on special models (TS/STI).

Keep the skinny, easy to slide tires for production so people can play. The enthusiasts will put their own sticky tires on anyway.

Keep the seats nicely bolstered and the contrast stitching on the interior pieces.

The remainder of my comments regarding second gen pretty much have to do with changes/improvements and thus belong in a different thread.

qqzj · 10-02-2019, 10:53 AM

Use a 1.2 liter turbo charged i4! So that I can sell mine at a good price. Haha

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10-01-2019, 10:50 PM	#1
Yoniyama Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Drives: BRZ 2018 Location: California Posts: 119 Thanks: 116 Thanked 65 Times in 38 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What attributes should Toyota and Subaru retain in the Second Generation FT-86 (aka Dear Tada-san, We are excited about the second generation FT-86. When you try to improve the FT-86, please retain the following attributes of the first generation FT-86: (1) Pricing - the current FT-86 delivers 90% of the performance for 50% of the price of a Supra. This is a tremendous value proposition. Please keep pricing in line with current offering, ie about US$30,000 (pre-tax) for the US and Japan markets. (2) No turbo or hybrid engine, a boxer-4 normally aspirated engine will be best. Incorporation of the Toyota New Dynamic Force technology to boost power and efficiency will be much appreciated. (3) Keep it modification friendly and easy. (4) Keep away all the non-driving related gadgets, no need for power seats, seat heating, seat massage, inter-net connectivity, automatic driving, power sunroof, or electronic suspension. (5) Keep the mechanical limited slip differential and manual transmission. (6) Keep the design pure and simple. After all, please remember: 'Primum non nocere - first, do no harm'. Thank you.

10-01-2019, 11:25 PM	#2
soundman98 ProCrastinationConsultant Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: '14 Ranger, '18 Tacoma 4Dr LB Location: chicago-ish Posts: 11,330 Thanks: 35,240 Thanked 13,673 Times in 6,781 Posts Mentioned: 98 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137072 __________________ "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"

10-01-2019, 11:32 PM	#3
86MLR Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto Location: Sydney Posts: 2,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nitrous __________________ Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311 I'm only here for the biscuits

10-01-2019, 11:37 PM	#4
soundman98 ProCrastinationConsultant Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: '14 Ranger, '18 Tacoma 4Dr LB Location: chicago-ish Posts: 11,330 Thanks: 35,240 Thanked 13,673 Times in 6,781 Posts Mentioned: 98 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	can i ask for a hot girl that loves being the passenger on long drives, listens to good music, and always knows where the good burger joints are on road trips? __________________ "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"

10-01-2019, 11:48 PM	#6
soundman98 ProCrastinationConsultant Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: '14 Ranger, '18 Tacoma 4Dr LB Location: chicago-ish Posts: 11,330 Thanks: 35,240 Thanked 13,673 Times in 6,781 Posts Mentioned: 98 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i want a 2 liter v12. supercharged. __________________ "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"

10-01-2019, 11:40 PM	#5
Lantanafrs2 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Drives: 2013 frs red Location: South Florida Posts: 3,517 Thanks: 2,520 Thanked 3,088 Times in 1,654 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	That list is well intentioned but ridiculous. Why no turbo?

10-02-2019, 12:55 AM	#12
Lantanafrs2 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Drives: 2013 frs red Location: South Florida Posts: 3,517 Thanks: 2,520 Thanked 3,088 Times in 1,654 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Please no new motors. Use one from an existing platform with turbo. Dont need anymore recall fatigue

10-02-2019, 07:51 AM	#13
CrowsFeast Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Drives: 2013 BRZ Sport-Tech Location: Toronto Posts: 354 Thanks: 184 Thanked 179 Times in 121 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	One tweak to number 4: mine has heated seats and living in Canada I'm quite happy about that (already started using them). Turbos can be saved to be added on special models (TS/STI). Keep the skinny, easy to slide tires for production so people can play. The enthusiasts will put their own sticky tires on anyway. Keep the seats nicely bolstered and the contrast stitching on the interior pieces. The remainder of my comments regarding second gen pretty much have to do with changes/improvements and thus belong in a different thread.

10-02-2019, 10:53 AM	#14
qqzj Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: MDX, Camry Location: SF, CA Posts: 399 Thanks: 54 Thanked 69 Times in 44 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Use a 1.2 liter turbo charged i4! So that I can sell mine at a good price. Haha Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

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