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11-22-2012, 11:25 PM | #15 |
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Alot of that article has the exact same sentences from the bullshit rumor articles .
I'll believe it when it's announced by Subaru
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That was the only thing that kept me coming back when the car was being tested. I would check twice - three times a day for nuggets like these. It builds hype
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If it has 230+ hp and loses 125+ lbs.... plus the brakes aero and suspension tweaks it could be pretty good.
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At first I was like: fuck!! I havent even got my regular BRZ yet.
Then I was like: cool, I'll just trade my BRZ in for the STi when it arrives. Now I'm like: only if they don't make the BRZ STi like the new Legacy STi. Subaru has a lot of face to save by putting out a kick butt STi version. I have a hard time seeing them come out with a shitter but you never know.
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This would be ideal! But given the size & weight of modern cars, I don't see how Subaru can drop that much weight on a production car. It's a shame that the BRZ weighs as much as it does. I guess it's "relatively light" (by today's standards ).
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Imagine if Subaru/Toyota made a car that was super light? Two air bags, super cheap radio with 2 speakers, no sound deadening. About 5% of their market would want to buy it. They make these types of cars in the UK and they are all expensive and rare. A true lightweight car from a major company that isn't expensive just ins't going to happen anymore.
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Agreed. The 2011 Honda Civic Si I got rid of for my BRZ only weighed between 2800-2900lbs. Not much heavier than the BRZ.
I wonder what it is on the BRZ that accounts for the mere 100lbs less than the Si?
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then you get sesto elemento or what ever it is from lambo.... 2200 lbs with 3x as much hp as us lol... but that things like 2 mil...
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I would not be interested in a normally aspirated version with more power. Nothing is free; any additional power is going to have to come at the expense of low-end. Since my car will be a daily driver, I will generally not be spinning it to 8000 on a regular basis.
I would conceptually be interested in a turbocharged version, but I'm almost certain there won't be one, and even if there is it will be priced in such a way that there'll be a lot more competition. |
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Who said anything about increasing displacement? Yes, a 2.5L version would be great - but none of the (admitted) rumors suggest more displacement, nor would it play well with CAFE.
The reason more power out of the existing engine requires a loss at the bottom is - there's a finite amount of torque you can get from a conventional IC piston engine. It's about 1.3 ft-lb per cubic inch; sometimes a little more, but 1.3 is a fair high-end approximation. The existing 122CI engine is almost exactly 1.3. You can move it around, but you can't really increase it. VVT/VVL has done a lot in terms of increasing the RPM range where the peak can be maintained (the current Mustang V8 is a great example of this, as is the 'second peak' in the FA20), but it's not a miracle-worker. If 230HP is the target, it'll have to come at a higher RPM, which will require shifting the torque curve higher. |
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I had read some speculation about boring the engine out back during a different flurry of rumors which is why I mentioned it. I wasn't hanging my hat on that, I just used it as an example of a change.
Fair enough though, I was unaware of the ~1.3 ft-lb/i^3 rule of thumb. Good to know. It'll be interesting to see what Subaru decides to do and what tradeoffs they make as they increase power. |
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I think a NA 2.5 would be killer - that, I would go for. But I'm guessing in the interest of fuel economy it's not gonna happen.
There is a 2.5L version of this engine, isn't there? FB25, or something like that? |
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