40k for a 700 whp turbo brz? Pics inside

[BrahmaBull1990]

In for a penny; in for a pound…

Well guess you’re committed now. Did you clearly lay-out goals? How did you ask for 400whp and then get double that and charged? It sounds like you gave them a blank check, then they ran with it. I would think work authorizations would be a norm, no?

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Have not seen a single FA20 make even 500whp reliably, a few dyno pulls or handful of passes on a strip sure, but reliably driven at 500whp for a reasonable amount of time, no chance, if done right 450whp seems about the reliable limit on E85 with full built longblock.

This is not even close to a reliable 700whp build. Unless there is a long long list of things you are leaving off the table this isn’t even a reliable 500whp build. 35k for a reliable 450whp on E85 wouldn’t be unreasonable, but this price should include a full CD009 trans swap

To further this point. Look at BHP per Liter engine records. How few manufactured cars in the world hit even 200bhp/L (not even WHP) and the price on those cars, even the price of 185bhp/L. 225whp/L is probably about 260bhp/L or 450whp/520bhp out of a tiny 2 liter, which is pretty crazy but still potentially doable. 700whp or 350whp/L is probably 400bhp/L no possible chance, maybe one pass on a strip or dyno pull but zero chance at reliability.

[PulsarBeeerz]

DM brz_dude and Kaijumotorsports on IG. You need to consult with folks that have real world experience.

[86TOYO2k17]

Pretty sure brz_dude makes 560whp and has the highest WHP FA20 that’s made more than just a few dyno pulls. and I highly doubt it sees that power very often besides mostly going down the drag strip. Or if he dailies or drives it regularly probably turns it way down. And 560whp is still far below 700whp. (Still a lot, but more reason why OP isn’t close to 700whp reliably)

But yeah they would be an excellent source for a 450+whp build and whats required.

There is different levels of and expectations of reliable, 100 passes down a strip is only 25 miles (not counting drive back, staging, etc..) I would consider pretty reliable if it had zero issues at 2.5x stock power. Getting only 10k miles on a daily that makes a couple 60-130 pulls a day on normal commute home I wouldn’t consider that reliable.

[Irace86.2.0]

Coulda had a LS or 2JZ swap at that price with a CD009. That price should definitely include a transmission.

What work was done to the heads?

[GrabTheWheel]

Friends don't let friends build boxer engines! If you love the FA run stock engines till they blow up then replace and repeat. If you really love the boxer and manual best to buy a Porsche. If you want boost and you don't care about giving up the manual the new Supra is so fast with a few mild mods.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

but this price should include a full CD009 trans swap

Yeah this part gets me. It's clear there is a lot of info missing in the general description. And maybe he is no expert at knowing what has been done to it, which is fine (though you really should learn all of these things prior or during the process to understand what everything means and will do for your vehicle). But out of everything, a tranny should have easily been on that list of mods and in that price. To have to add another 5-10K after for a tranny will be a crazy amount of money.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Pretty sure brz_dude makes 560whp and has the highest WHP FA20 that’s made more than just a few dyno pulls. and I highly doubt it sees that power very often besides mostly going down the drag strip. Or if he dailies or drives it regularly probably turns it way down. And 560whp is still far below 700whp. (Still a lot, but more reason why OP isn’t close to 700whp reliably)

But yeah they would be an excellent source for a 450+whp build and whats required.

There is different levels of and expectations of reliable, 100 passes down a strip is only 25 miles (not counting drive back, staging, etc..) I would consider pretty reliable if it had zero issues at 2.5x stock power. Getting only 10k miles on a daily that makes a couple 60-130 pulls a day on normal commute home I wouldn’t consider that reliable.

https://www.facebook.com/CounterSpac...9424390784781/

This car is daily driven and has seen hundreds of passes. The only failures on the car is the transmission, since the owner prefers to keep the stock trans in the car and replace as they fail, since stock transmissions are a dime a dozen.

Also: re brz_dude: A stock supra on ethanol making less power and weighing more runs faster times at the strip, so I'm not sure that FA20 is a good proof of concept.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

https://www.facebook.com/CounterSpac...9424390784781/

Also: re brz_dude: A stock supra on ethanol making less power and weighing more runs faster times at the strip, so I'm not sure that FA20 is a good proof of concept.

Do you have a little rivalry or animosity with brz_dude?lol Proof of concept was in the topic of not blowing up immediately with elevated HP levels. Then here comes the ZF8 speed Supra for no reason.haha I agree that it would be the better cheaper all said and done route.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

Do you have a little rivalry or animosity with brz_dude?lol Proof of concept was in the topic of not blowing up immediately with elevated HP levels. Then here comes the ZF8 speed Supra for no reason.haha I agree that it would be the better cheaper all said and done route.

Just stating facts, since most cars of this power, including the mentioned brz_dude, are used for drag racing.

Drag strip trap speed and times don't lie. With that and a car weight, you can calculate actual output.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

https://www.facebook.com/CounterSpac...9424390784781/

This car is daily driven and has seen hundreds of passes. The only failures on the car is the transmission, since the owner prefers to keep the stock trans in the car and replace as they fail, since stock transmissions are a dime a dozen.

Also: re brz_dude: A stock supra on ethanol making less power and weighing more runs faster times at the strip, so I'm not sure that FA20 is a good proof of concept.

Impressive,

Stock trans probably helping keep the engine alive.

What ET and traps?

[Decep]

What's the legality of a shop going 20k over budget and not even getting approval for it? That's nuts... i'd get it if it was a Lambo owner and gave em a blank check.

[Kiske]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Just stating facts, since most cars of this power, including the mentioned brz_dude, are used for drag racing.

Drag strip trap speed and times don't lie. With that and a car weight, you can calculate actual output.

What is dude's qtr mile time? I remember back when Full Blown Motorsports and Fiebrurz were both running gunning for 9's in 2014 and haven't followed times since.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Kiske

What is dude's qtr mile time? I remember back when Full Blown Motorsports and Fiebrurz were both running gunning for 9's in 2014 and haven't followed times since.

Per the last post he made showing a a time and ET, 10.7 @ 127mph.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNs3YWUHjJG/