New 240Z Confirmed for Nissan's 80th Anniversary! [Video]

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...35_in_pipline/

Only if the Twins get a significant power increase. All indications are that even though Nissan is phasing out the 6cyl the 2.5l turbo 4 replacement will still produce 280-330 hp.

IDx will be the small 200-240? hp RWD coupe competing with the twins.

I think Tada-san has already said the 86/FR-S will get a power bump in 2015.

The IDx is reported to have a 1.2 - 1.5 liter. It is also like 5 and half inches shorter than the twins.

IDx: (161.4 in)
86: (166.9 in)

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/11/new...idx-nismo.html

[vh_supra26]

I also think the new Z will be getting a price cut.

Look at the Z's sales numbers. Sales of the Z has fallen pretty bad. If they keep it at where it currently is at, then sales will continue to suck. The next Z will have to be cheaper like the 350Z to gain back some sales.

Back in 2003 the 350z was $26k. In 2012, starting price on the 370z was $32k. Maybe Nissan wants to bring the pricing on the next Z closer to the 350z? Nissan has to do something with the Z. Its sales are declining, and without a cheaper model to replace it I think it would be safe to say its sales will continue to fall. The Z did its best when it was a $26k-$28k car.

Below are sales for key years.

2002: 13,253
2003: 36,728 (1st full year of sales for the 350Z)
2004: 30,690
2005: 27,278
2006: 24,635
2007: 18,957
2008: 10,337 (Last year of sales for the 350Z coupe)
2009: 13,117
2010: 10,215
2011: 7328
2012: 7338
2013: 6561 (Last years sales where pretty bad)

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

I think Tada-san has already said the 86/FR-S will get a power bump in 2015.

The IDx is reported to have a 1.2 - 1.5 liter. It is also like 5 and half inches shorter than the twins

Yes a power bump is coming for the mid cycle refresh. The question is how much? Unless they introduce a TRD/STi version with 280+hp the twins will not be competing with the Z35.


Only the base mode IDx is supposed to have the 1,2-1,5l engine mated to the crappy CVT transmission because it was designed as a basic commuter car. The Nismo version is rumored to have the same 1.6l turbo 4 cyl from the juke.


"Nissan is currently proposing a 1.6-liter direct-injection turbocharged engine. That powerplant could easily rival the 200 hp of the Toyota and Subaru duo. "


http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/01/14/d...nismo-concept/


From the article you linked to:


http://www.carscoops.com/2013/11/new...idx-nismo.html


"The NISMO edition of the study is wider at 1.8 meters and gains a typical race inspired exterior and interior makeover, with bloated wheel arches, side exhausts, spoilers and lightweight 225/40 19-inch tires
As for the suggested powerplant, Nissan states: "To meet the high expectations for a powertrain equal to the task of propelling such a formidable car, one proposal from Nissan's engineers is the combination of a high-performance, eco-friendly 1.6L direct-injection turbocharged engine together with a sporty CVT with 6-speed manual shift mode and synchronized rev control."

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

I also think the new Z will be getting a price cut.

Nissan has to do something with the Z. Its sales are declining, and without a cheaper model to replace it I think it would be safe to say its sales will continue to fall. The Z did its best when it was a $26k-$28k car.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/26/2...duced-by-3000/


They already dropped the price of the current 370Z to $29,990 usd. There's no reason to believe the Z35 will come in at a higher MSRP with, what the public will perceive as, a downgraded turbo 4cyl.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

Yes a power bump is coming for the mid cycle refresh. The question is how much? Unless they introduce a TRD/STi version with 280+hp the twins will not be competing with the Z35.

Only the base mode IDx is supposed to have the 1,2-1,5l engine mated to the crappy CVT transmission because it was designed as a basic commuter car. The Nismo version is rumored to have the same 1.6l turbo 4 cyl from the juke.

"Nissan is currently proposing a 1.6-liter direct-injection turbocharged engine. That powerplant could easily rival the 200 hp of the Toyota and Subaru duo. "

http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/01/14/d...nismo-concept/

From the article you linked to:

http://www.carscoops.com/2013/11/new...idx-nismo.html

"The NISMO edition of the study is wider at 1.8 meters and gains a typical race inspired exterior and interior makeover, with bloated wheel arches, side exhausts, spoilers and lightweight 225/40 19-inch tires
As for the suggested powerplant, Nissan states: "To meet the high expectations for a powertrain equal to the task of propelling such a formidable car, one proposal from Nissan's engineers is the combination of a high-performance, eco-friendly 1.6L direct-injection turbocharged engine together with a sporty CVT with 6-speed manual shift mode and synchronized rev control."

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/26/2...duced-by-3000/

They already dropped the price of the current 370Z to $29,990 usd. There's no reason to believe the Z35 will come in at a higher MSRP with, what the public will perceive as, a downgraded turbo 4cyl.

Tada san has hinted at 250hp with a new 2.5 liter. But we don't even know how much power the new Z will make.

I think its still too early to speculated on the IDx.

Nissan confirms at least one IDx for production

Nissan will produce at least one of the IDx concepts shown at the Detroit auto show. Vice president Andy Palmer said at the show, “Don't say that we won't do both, but we will definitely do one of them.”

Like we told you earlier this week, the Freeflow could sport either a 1.2- or 1.5-liter gasoline engine mated to a CVT (Noooo!). The IDx Nismo, on the other hand, would be a little peppier with a turbocharged 1.6-liter, probably making around 200 hp, similar to the mill in the Juke Nismo.

“It's very lightweight, so it's a relatively small engine,” said Palmer. “You get a lot of fun with rear drive.”

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014...NEWS/140119830

Yes Nissan has cut the Z's price and sales have fallen even more. That car needs to return to the pricing of the 350z to have better sales. Just my opinion.

[weedtank]

Originally Posted by Dimman

^ Holy shit, why didn't Mazda bring this here???

I didn't know this existed!

Looks like a modern Triumph GT6.

Video for reference:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28xb64AP6BU"]RARE, Factory-built: 2004 Mazda Roadster Coupe, Type S - Sports Model (MX-5 / Miata - NB8C) - YouTube[/ame]

[Frost]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Below are sales for key years.

2002: 13,253
2003: 36,728 (1st full year of sales for the 350Z) +177%
2004: 30,690 -16.4%
2005: 27,278 -11.1%
2006: 24,635 -9.7%
2007: 18,957 -23%
2008: 10,337 (Last year of sales for the 350Z coupe) -45.5%
2009: 13,117 +26.9%
2010: 10,215 -22.1%
2011: 7328 -28.2%
2012: 7338 -0.001%
2013: 6561 (Last years sales where pretty bad) -10.6%

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

Added % dropoffs to indicate growth in relation to previous years.

Looks like the 350 to 370 jump only inspired that single year worth of sales instead of truly refreshing the car.

Unfortunately, the BRZ/FRS sales data pool is too small to show any trending but that's why we look at the MX5/Miata US sales numbers:

2003: 10,920
2004: 9,356 -14.3%
2005: 9,801 +4.8%
2006: 16,897 +72.4% <-- NC or Third gen Miata/MX5 launch year
2007: 15,075 -10.8%
2008: 10,977 -27.1%
2009: 7,917 -27.9%
2010: 6,370 -19.5%
2011: 5,674 -10.9%
2012: 6,305 -11.1%

Source: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

Moral of the story?

Cars of this nature will have great first year or two numbers followed by moderate to strong drop offs.

The key thing isn't necessarily year after year of similar quantity but rather a worth refresher every so often. The NC MX5 has aged far better than the 370Z which repeatedly saw it's sales cut by over 22% year after year until the bottom seeming was reached in 2012 and even that fell through in 2013 (I am guessing the twins had something to do about that). The worst part is that the immediate year after the 370Z launch, sales plummeted right away. The year after the NC MX5 was launched, sales fell but not too badly and has since dropped gently compared to the 370Z.

Once we get more data on the Twins, it'll be more fair to compare.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Tada san has hinted at 250hp with a new 2.5 liter. But we don't even know how much power the new Z will make.

I think its still too early to speculated on the IDx.



http://www.autoweek.com/article/2014...NEWS/140119830

Yes Nissan has cut the Z's price and sales have fallen even more. That car needs to return to the pricing of the 350z to have better sales. Just my opinion.

I'm trying to understand. So you think Nissan is going to reduce the power in the Z35 down to around 250hp and price it at $26k-28k usd to compete with the Twins?


There's no way that's going to happen. The Z faithful are already on the verge of rioting over the loss of the 6cyl heritage. They would never stand for a significantly less powerful turbo 4cyl Zed. The only way Nissan can even hope to pull it off is if the Z35 turbo 4 produces close to the same amount of power as the outgoing 6 and shaves off a couple hundred pounds in weight.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by zigzagz94

I'm trying to understand. So you think Nissan is going to reduce the power in the Z35 down to around 250hp and price it at $26k-28k usd to compete with the Twins?


There's no way that's going to happen. The Z faithful are already on the verge of rioting over the loss of the 6cyl heritage. They would never stand for a significantly less powerful turbo 4cyl Zed. The only way Nissan can even hope to pull it off is if the Z35 turbo 4 produces close to the same amount of power as the outgoing 6 and shaves off a couple hundred pounds in weight.

See here's my problem - do you want the car to stay in it's tight TIGHT niche or expand it? I think it would be prudent to politely decline the requests of the faithful and go with whatever can expand the namesake without overly compromising the ability of the product to perform.

The product has to evolve to survive - I know the Z's have always had a 6 banger but times have changed.

[AVodka14]

Let's just wait and see what the competitors bring to the table. The twins have been out for almost 2 years now. I guess Toyota/Subaru get the applaud for getting the RWD 4 cylinder sport coupe back on the map. Personally, I would never own a Nissan. Yet if Honda makes a similar platform. Then I am all over that.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by Frost

do you want the car to stay in it's tight TIGHT niche or expand it?

That tight niche appears to be exactly where many GT86 owners want their car to be. The main complaint about the twins is lack of power. If you told them the next generation would have a turbo 4, with 280-333hp, at 2900-3100lbs, for roughly 29-32k many people would be in line to trade their brand new cars.


I don't see Nissan taking the Zed down market to compete with the twins when they could introduce the IDx Nismo in that slot.

[LadyFRZ]

Yay! Always good to see more RWD fun cars added to the market.
I wouldn't personally own a Nissan, but can't wait to see what the other brands do. I saw KIA was thinking about adding their own RWD car.

Now, for Honda to bring back the s2000...That. Would be awesome.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by LadyFRZ

Yay! Always good to see more RWD fun cars added to the market.
I wouldn't personally own a Nissan, but can't wait to see what the other brands do. I saw KIA was thinking about adding their own RWD car.

Now, for Honda to bring back the s2000...That. Would be awesome.

I think they're focusing on the NSX successor for now - maybe depending on how sales go for that, it might bring back the S2k? Good times indeed.

[STJ]

Few years ago there were rumors that the Z was going to receive the VQ30VDT ( so VVL Turbo V6). But sadly thanks to their awfull CEO they suspended all development of engines larger than a 1.6 I4. Their plan is to use mercedes platforms and engines so goodbye heritage and reliability!

[reni]

I hope they bring back/update the S platform if they decide to build a 240Z or IDx, otherwise we're just going to end up with a bunch of pointless overweight little cars.