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robotleader · 03-07-2019, 01:38 PM

heavier shift knob

FT86WI · 03-07-2019, 01:57 PM

I've had more challenges with getting it into 1st when it's really cold than going from 1st to 2nd. I do a decent amount of 2nd gear starts until my car warms up in the winter as a result.

Living in Wisconsin, I've had this problem with pretty much every manual transmission I've had over the past 20 years. I just always started in 2nd. Never had issues with a clutch, other than the POS Plymouth Neon I learned to drive stick on (went out around 120k miles).

FT86WI · 03-07-2019, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by robotleader

heavier shift knob

I was always told heavy shift knobs were bad for syncros. Any truth to that?

nico_rsx · 03-08-2019, 10:44 AM

On my second winter the 1-2 shift really improved. I was around 40K km. Still on the stock fluid.
On my first winter, when the shift were still rough, doing a 1-2-1 shift with the clutch pressed before leaving seemed to help oil things up. Also not shifting before 3.5k rpm help.

But the 2 to 1 shift is still as bad. It's almost impossible for me to shift back into first unless the car is at a complete stop. Most of the time I do my first two stops in second gear.

Decep · 03-08-2019, 03:34 PM

If you are coming to a stop but not quite, try double clutching the 2-1 downshift but without a rev match. its usually butter smooth under 5mph.

churchx · 03-08-2019, 04:11 PM

2-1 downshift is on many MT cars speed limited to very low speeds, to prevent accidental money shift with overreving engine too much. Not trait of this particular gearbox, designed in safeguard in many manual transmissions. Rev matching can help get into 1st though even at higher speeds.

nico_rsx · 03-11-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by churchx

2-1 downshift is on many MT cars speed limited to very low speeds, to prevent accidental money shift with overreving engine too much. Not trait of this particular gearbox, designed in safeguard in many manual transmissions. Rev matching can help get into 1st though even at higher speeds.

Yes I know, but in the summer I can easily downshift 2-1 while going 2-3 miles/h. When it's really cold, 1mph is still too fast. The wheels need to be completely stopped. After 2 minutes of driving, it's a lot better and I can downshift while still rolling slowly.

Last year I experimented with double clutch and it didn't help, but I could try again.

Edit: By cold I mean 10F and lower.

Decep · 03-14-2019, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nico_rsx

Yes I know, but in the summer I can easily downshift 2-1 while going 2-3 miles/h. When it's really cold, 1mph is still too fast. The wheels need to be completely stopped. After 2 minutes of driving, it's a lot better and I can downshift while still rolling slowly.

Last year I experimented with double clutch and it didn't help, but I could try again.

Edit: By cold I mean 10F and lower.

Thats normal even in California 40 degree F "cold"

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03-07-2019, 01:38 PM	#15
robotleader Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Drives: brzzzz Location: nor cal Posts: 54 Thanks: 6 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	heavier shift knob

03-07-2019, 01:57 PM	#16
FT86WI Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S / Firestorm Red Location: Wisconsin Posts: 16 Thanks: 3 Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I've had more challenges with getting it into 1st when it's really cold than going from 1st to 2nd. I do a decent amount of 2nd gear starts until my car warms up in the winter as a result. Living in Wisconsin, I've had this problem with pretty much every manual transmission I've had over the past 20 years. I just always started in 2nd. Never had issues with a clutch, other than the POS Plymouth Neon I learned to drive stick on (went out around 120k miles).

03-08-2019, 10:44 AM	#18
nico_rsx Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Drives: BRZ 2017 Pure Red, MT Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 309 Thanks: 122 Thanked 121 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	On my second winter the 1-2 shift really improved. I was around 40K km. Still on the stock fluid. On my first winter, when the shift were still rough, doing a 1-2-1 shift with the clutch pressed before leaving seemed to help oil things up. Also not shifting before 3.5k rpm help. But the 2 to 1 shift is still as bad. It's almost impossible for me to shift back into first unless the car is at a complete stop. Most of the time I do my first two stops in second gear.

03-08-2019, 03:34 PM	#19
Decep Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Drives: 2013 FR-S Series 10 Location: CA Posts: 1,073 Thanks: 172 Thanked 497 Times in 326 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If you are coming to a stop but not quite, try double clutching the 2-1 downshift but without a rev match. its usually butter smooth under 5mph.

03-08-2019, 04:11 PM	#20
churchx Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: 2014 GT86 Location: Latvia, Riga Posts: 4,333 Thanks: 696 Thanked 2,085 Times in 1,436 Posts Mentioned: 53 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	2-1 downshift is on many MT cars speed limited to very low speeds, to prevent accidental money shift with overreving engine too much. Not trait of this particular gearbox, designed in safeguard in many manual transmissions. Rev matching can help get into 1st though even at higher speeds.

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