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Old 01-12-2020, 01:55 PM   #85
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And an STI is just an Impreza
And a Civic Type R is just a Civic
And a Golf R is just a Golf
And a Focus RS is just a Focus
And a Veloster N is just a Veloster

All starting at the $20k shitbox price point.

Sounds to me like they nailed a segment you never cared about, why put so much energy into explaining why?
Because all of those cars have had reviews say how their interiors feel just the same as their $20k counter parts (as a negative), yet they cost $40k, and this car has a $16k interior/shell of a class below all of those cars you just mentioned.

Again, I hope I eat my words, but if this car is like the Yaris I drove then it may have AWD and a powerful engine, but the car's interior will feel cheap and plastic; the ergonomics will feel like you are sitting on the car and not in the car; the cabin will feel like a tin can floating on the ocean. We will have to see after reviewers get some seat time if I'm way off.
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I should also mention this:

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I’m not a hot hatch buyer, but if I ever had to be then the Scirocco R would be up there on the top of the list.
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Some lines on the Yaris GR are shared with this Scirocco (sloping top, wide rear fenders, narrowing cabin), so I can appreciate that:




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Because all of those cars have had reviews say how their interiors feel just the same as their $20k counter parts (as a negative), yet they cost $40k, and this car has a $16k interior/shell of a class below all of those cars you just mentioned.

Again, I hope I eat my words, but if this car is like the Yaris I drove then it may have AWD and a powerful engine, but the car's interior will feel cheap and plastic; the ergonomics will feel like you are sitting on the car and not in the car; the cabin will feel like a tin can floating on the ocean. We will have to see after reviewers get some seat time if I'm way off.
It'll be too fast keeping the driver busy.. So won't notice the low rent interior..

But I think that the car is just too nice for the American market.. they can't cheapen it enough???
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but the car's interior will feel cheap and plastic; the ergonomics will feel like you are sitting on the car and not in the car; the cabin will feel like a tin can floating on the ocean. We will have to see after reviewers get some seat time if I'm way off.
Again you should really take the time to spend a few minutes with a TNGA car before shitting on this. (Latest gen Camry, Corolla, etc. and then remove the floaty suspension tuning) You sound like a baby-boomer proudly proclaiming how they'll never buy 'jap crap' while driving a Buick.
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Not bad for a first effort, but why couldn't they give it rear doors? If I needed a hot hatch, presumably it would be for its practicality. The rear doors would go a long ways there. Hell even the Veloster N's 3rd door would be better than nothing.
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Not bad for a first effort, but why couldn't they give it rear doors? If I needed a hot hatch, presumably it would be for its practicality. The rear doors would go a long ways there. Hell even the Veloster N's 3rd door would be better than nothing.
Honestly it being a 2 door might be the thing I like most about it relative to the competition, makes it look like a sleek little thing, reminds me of a CRZ but with guts. Like a modern M coupe shooting brake or the old tiny hatches, the proportions are excellent (aside from the unavoidable front grill/hood height for pedestrian safety). Probably helps it hit that ~2,800 lb curb weight too.

If you want the extra doors/practicality there's the rest of the super hatches to choose from. The best business advice I've heard is "never charge a fortified hill"
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Not bad for a first effort, but why couldn't they give it rear doors? If I needed a hot hatch, presumably it would be for its practicality. The rear doors would go a long ways there. Hell even the Veloster N's 3rd door would be better than nothing.
The Japanese version of the Yaris and the American version are obviously different, but the GR Yaris is very different from the Japanese version of the Yaris. While it is not as cheap as the American version, the Japanese version is built more like the American version with 4-doors and 5-seats. The GR Yaris has a sloping rear roof with larger fenders that are further forward than the standard Yaris. I'm not saying it is impossible, but the GR looks to have a 2+2 seat setup like the 86, which wouldn't work well as a 4-door. This would make sense because the standard Yaris is FWD, but the GR is AWD, and it needs room for a driveshaft tunnel.

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I'm now reading that MK2 Twin will have similar horsepower (turbo and possibly 4WD)... And will be renamed GR86...
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The Japanese version of the Yaris and the American version are obviously different, but the GR Yaris is very different from the Japanese version of the Yaris. While it is not as cheap as the American version, the Japanese version is built more like the American version with 4-doors and 5-seats. The GR Yaris has a sloping rear roof with larger fenders that are further forward than the standard Yaris. I'm not saying it is impossible, but the GR looks to have a 2+2 seat setup like the 86, which wouldn't work well as a 4-door. This would make sense because the standard Yaris is FWD, but the GR is AWD, and it needs room for a driveshaft tunnel.

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I'm almost certain the two (Japanese Yaris and GR4) have the exact same wheelbase. Same way the GTI/Civic Si's come in both 2 and 4 door, but retain the same wheelbase/overall length.

The only difference is the GR4 get's a modified roof. If they really wanted to they could make a 4 door version, but I doubt sales/interest would generate enough volume/demand to justify the new tooling for the sides.
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I'm almost certain the two (Japanese Yaris and GR4) have the exact same wheelbase. Same way the GTI/Civic Si's come in both 2 and 4 door, but retain the same wheelbase/overall length.

The only difference is the GR4 get's a modified roof. If they really wanted to they could make a 4 door version, but I doubt sales/interest would generate enough volume/demand to justify the new tooling for the sides.
They probably could, but look, they also moved the gas tank door, maybe to get it out of the way to maximize suspension travel or something. But it is probably to keep costs down like you said.
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I'm now reading that MK2 Twin will have similar horsepower (turbo and possibly 4WD)... And will be renamed GR86...
Those are Supras that are aggressively photoshopped, but they look ok.
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Honestly it being a 2 door might be the thing I like most about it relative to the competition, makes it look like a sleek little thing, reminds me of a CRZ but with guts. Like a modern M coupe shooting brake or the old tiny hatches, the proportions are excellent (aside from the unavoidable front grill/hood height for pedestrian safety). Probably helps it hit that ~2,800 lb curb weight too.

If you want the extra doors/practicality there's the rest of the super hatches to choose from. The best business advice I've heard is "never charge a fortified hill"
VW abandoned the 2-door GTI market in the US, so it might be a pretty desolate hill that Toyota is charging up.

I do like your CRZ analogy though. The styling of that car deserved better hardware underneath.

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The Japanese version of the Yaris and the American version are obviously different, but the GR Yaris is very different from the Japanese version of the Yaris. While it is not as cheap as the American version, the Japanese version is built more like the American version with 4-doors and 5-seats. The GR Yaris has a sloping rear roof with larger fenders that are further forward than the standard Yaris. I'm not saying it is impossible, but the GR looks to have a 2+2 seat setup like the 86, which wouldn't work well as a 4-door. This would make sense because the standard Yaris is FWD, but the GR is AWD, and it needs room for a driveshaft tunnel.

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Japanese Yaris


Japanese Yaris GR
The Mazda 2 and Japanese Yaris are pretty decent looking cars for economy hatches!

The Mazda 3 hatch is also striking. I like what Mazda is doing right now with their designs.

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@DarkSunrise you assume they're charging at all in the US, they're not, another car to withhold from Americans.
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