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Old 11-10-2019, 03:30 PM   #197
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We the people demand answers RacerX. Dyno sheets!! More data please. That article on the website is bull.

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If just turning up the boost was a solution then why do people go to bigger turbos and make more power on the same boost Surely it is not because they are efficiently moving more air

Big valve head from Element on boost makes a claimed +60whp. When forum member 86IT asked them about it NA, they told him don't bother, not worth it.

If you have data, then why not post it?

And why have none of the beta test dyno's for this manifold seen the light of day? It has only been since what, May, that they sent out emails about having people test the manifold.

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Ok, so, $1000 USD is actually pretty reasonable. But I've yet to see anything that convinces me those claimed gains are real. Even worse though, those gains are said to be on a completely stock engine. I'm just one potential buyer but I don't think the target audience should be otherwise stock cars. The gains from an intake manifold - on this engine - are going to be small no matter what, the only people buying this will be those committed to staying NA and have enough cash to get to the point that this will be their next step. I'm at that point, but I'm not throwing ~$1800 CAD at a completely unknown product that even after beta testing hasn't had a single review. Especially when I don't have a decent tuner near me to properly dial it in.

Oh well, I was excited for this but apparently it's vaporware. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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They posted a full bolt on E85 and a 93 Stage 1 OFT dyno. I even overled them and post them in this thread... It will most likely go on sale for Black Friday, likely for $700 USD.
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Are the gains measured on the pre-17 cars?
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None of the shit kickers here are gonna buy it anyways. Easy to yack on a forum. Racerx will probably never recoup their development costs
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We the people demand answers RacerX. Dyno sheets!! More data please. That article on the website is bull.

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There are dyno graphs on this thread. Wtf are you talking about?
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Where to start… Well, when the project started we believed that the OEM intake manifold had a little more power in it. We started off with our first prototype manifold with what we thought would yield results. It did not, all of our testing has been completed in this thread. From there we built another 6 manifolds all of which have the dyno results again posted in this thread. Manifold #7 finally gave us the results we thought were possible between 5-10 percent total gain.

Once we found that manifold #7 produce positive results, we then purchased a full exhaust system to see the difference. We only picked up a few HP adding the exhaust system. We then used E85 and only picked up a few more HP. The best gains which are widely known on the forum are from adding a tune. This is still the case.

What happened to beta testing? We decided to cut our losses, it's that simple. We received around 75 emails with interest in beta testing the manifold, however in our previous experience only about 1 in 5 will actually follow through. We have about $10k in this project and we don't plan to do much more with it. Usually with positive results we get a few early adopters that use the component and spread the word of success or failure. In this case we have sold 2 manifolds since we released it.

The real issues in retrospect:

1) For the last 7 years the forum has stated that the best intake manifold is OEM, nothing can beat it. There were a handful of companies that gave it a shot and either did not post results or publicly said that it did not work.

2) The red intake manifold comes out in 2017 and is then assumed that changing from the OEM plastic manifold to the cast red intake manifold will net you 10 whp. This is simply not the case. In reality it has a real gain of roughly 1 whp. However, we have major retailers claiming that it gains 10 whp and sells for $300 to $400. Why would an enthusiast purchase the Racer X manifold for $979 when he can have the red manifold for half the price for the same "claim in whp”?

3) Expectations. Several times there were unrealistic numbers thrown around. 20 or 30 whp gains. From the beginning we thought a 5-10 percent gain would be reasonable. The best math I ever learned was
(expectations + results = disappoint)
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They'll find treasure on oak island before we see any significant na numbers from the fa20.
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They'll find treasure on oak island before we see any significant na numbers from the fa20.

Eh, there are gains to be still made on this motors stock block. Nothing huge of course as they can already make 30-50hp over stock. But as RacerX said in the nicest way, the owners are close minded, cheap and too lazy to even look through a thread that has the answers they feel entitled to demand.
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Eh, there are gains to be still made on this motors stock block. Nothing huge of course as they can already make 30-50hp over stock. But as RacerX said in the nicest way, the owners are close minded, cheap and too lazy to even look through a thread that has the answers they feel entitled to demand.
If you want to believe MFG dyno claims cold air intakes make 10whp

Where is your data on your mods you said you had again?

And no offense to RacerX. I really have hopes for this, i'd just like independent verification on claims. Even if this made half of what was claimed I would be happy. A grand is what a catback is going to cost me anyway. It is hard not to be skeptical when this platform has been out for 7+ years and all the sudden an intake manifold is the ticket for a decent NA gain.
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Where to start… Well, when the project started we believed that the OEM intake manifold had a little more power in it. We started off with our first prototype manifold with what we thought would yield results. It did not, all of our testing has been completed in this thread. From there we built another 6 manifolds all of which have the dyno results again posted in this thread. Manifold #7 finally gave us the results we thought were possible between 5-10 percent total gain.



Once we found that manifold #7 produce positive results, we then purchased a full exhaust system to see the difference. We only picked up a few HP adding the exhaust system. We then used E85 and only picked up a few more HP. The best gains which are widely known on the forum are from adding a tune. This is still the case.



What happened to beta testing? We decided to cut our losses, it's that simple. We received around 75 emails with interest in beta testing the manifold, however in our previous experience only about 1 in 5 will actually follow through. We have about $10k in this project and we don't plan to do much more with it. Usually with positive results we get a few early adopters that use the component and spread the word of success or failure. In this case we have sold 2 manifolds since we released it.



The real issues in retrospect:



1) For the last 7 years the forum has stated that the best intake manifold is OEM, nothing can beat it. There were a handful of companies that gave it a shot and either did not post results or publicly said that it did not work.



2) The red intake manifold comes out in 2017 and is then assumed that changing from the OEM plastic manifold to the cast red intake manifold will net you 10 whp. This is simply not the case. In reality it has a real gain of roughly 1 whp. However, we have major retailers claiming that it gains 10 whp and sells for $300 to $400. Why would an enthusiast purchase the Racer X manifold for $979 when he can have the red manifold for half the price for the same "claim in whp”?



3) Expectations. Several times there were unrealistic numbers thrown around. 20 or 30 whp gains. From the beginning we thought a 5-10 percent gain would be reasonable. The best math I ever learned was

(expectations + results = disappoint)
I'll purchase it when the time comes. Hopefully sooner than later.

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They'll find treasure on oak island before we see any significant na numbers from the fa20.


I laughed so hard at this. Well played sir.


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Where to start… Well, when the project started we believed that the OEM intake manifold had a little more power in it. We started off with our first prototype manifold with what we thought would yield results. It did not, all of our testing has been completed in this thread. From there we built another 6 manifolds all of which have the dyno results again posted in this thread. Manifold #7 finally gave us the results we thought were possible between 5-10 percent total gain.



Once we found that manifold #7 produce positive results, we then purchased a full exhaust system to see the difference. We only picked up a few HP adding the exhaust system. We then used E85 and only picked up a few more HP. The best gains which are widely known on the forum are from adding a tune. This is still the case.



What happened to beta testing? We decided to cut our losses, it's that simple. We received around 75 emails with interest in beta testing the manifold, however in our previous experience only about 1 in 5 will actually follow through. We have about $10k in this project and we don't plan to do much more with it. Usually with positive results we get a few early adopters that use the component and spread the word of success or failure. In this case we have sold 2 manifolds since we released it.



The real issues in retrospect:



1) For the last 7 years the forum has stated that the best intake manifold is OEM, nothing can beat it. There were a handful of companies that gave it a shot and either did not post results or publicly said that it did not work.



2) The red intake manifold comes out in 2017 and is then assumed that changing from the OEM plastic manifold to the cast red intake manifold will net you 10 whp. This is simply not the case. In reality it has a real gain of roughly 1 whp. However, we have major retailers claiming that it gains 10 whp and sells for $300 to $400. Why would an enthusiast purchase the Racer X manifold for $979 when he can have the red manifold for half the price for the same "claim in whp”?



3) Expectations. Several times there were unrealistic numbers thrown around. 20 or 30 whp gains. From the beginning we thought a 5-10 percent gain would be reasonable. The best math I ever learned was

(expectations + results = disappoint)


We really appreciate your feedback and I understand the amount of time, effort and money you guys spent on developing this. Quite honestly I really like the look of the manifold.


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