If the BRZ was an American car would you have bought it?

[jduffy]

It's funny I too looked at the Solstice back when it was being made and the driving position drove me nuts. I couldn't figure out where the corners of the car were. The BRZ on the other hand fits like a glove and I know exactly the dimensions from within. It really is a great design.

A damn shame that the Solstice couldn't have been better.

[dori.]

No.

fuck it, I'm a weeaboo.

[BRZfan]

Originally Posted by Dorb

Not if it was GM. I was actually looking at the Camero few years ago, until they took the tax payer bailout. Does make you wonder how much more it would cost being made here...

Your input is negligible (unimportant) since you cannot even spell the vehicle you mention correctly.

[Admiral Ballsy]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

The sad thing is that people will prefer an inferior domestic car over a foreign car out of some misguided sense of patriotism.

That's true. But there's also reverse discrimination, in that there's whole generations who've been taught that the domestic brands are junk and to never ever consider them.

The domestics did that to themselves, for sure - no smoke without fire. But there really isn't such a thing as a 'bad' car these days. Like any mass-produced product, there will be variation and some will be worse than others. And the Asian brands will have the least amount of that.

But in terms of design and performance, everything made today will be reliable transportation. It's really a matter of taste and, as I said above, value proposition. When I bought my Corvette this summer I also strongly considered a Boxster S. They were almost identical in price; the Porsche is made of nicer stuff, and the Corvette kills in terms of raw performance. But I think over time the Porsche will be more expensive to maintain and insure, and in this particular case will have a lower residual.

[BRZfan]

Originally Posted by JW89225

Nope, my parents would never let me get an american car

Only German, Italian, British or Japanese.

Your Parents? Your parents?? Are you old enough to purchase a car???

[Admiral Ballsy]

Originally Posted by jduffy

A damn shame that the Solstice couldn't have been better.

Yeah, that's a great example. It was supposed to compete with the Miata, but it was almost as big and heavy as a Corvette. Like driving a dump truck compared to the Mazda.

If they'd kept making it, they'd have probably got it right - a year or two before killing it (see Fiero, et al).

[mattles]

if it was possible for 2 american companies to somehow come together create a 200hp N/A FR sports coupe with a boxer motor and nearly perfect balance, then yes.

But thats impossible.

However, if Ford decided to make a small ecoboost turbo 4cyl FR sports coupe with very similar specs (similar suspension geo, similar weight ratios, similar suspension tuning, similar CoG) then Id definitely try it out.

[srtblake]

Originally Posted by Admiral Ballsy

Help me out with something here, please.

Explain why so many people - you included, apparently - want GM to fail.

I understand the anger over the bailout. I was not then, and am not now a supporter of it. But it is, as they say, what it is. The government, and by extension the American people, own a big chunk of GM. Why on earth would we wish it to fail, thereby ensuring a loss of huge sums of money?

Why do we not wish it success, so that we might recoup the full amount - or better still, profit?

F%*# the 47%!!!!

[srtblake]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

Foreign car companies still create plenty of US manufacturing and design jobs. These days it doesn't really make sense to call a car domestic or foreign. Good luck trying to build a car using labor and materials entirely from one country, and making it competetive with companies that can source the best products from around the world. The sad thing is that people will prefer an inferior domestic car over a "foreign" car out of some misguided sense of patriotism.

tell me again which foreign car maker who has plants in the USA that are union?

thats what it boils down too. Fair wadges and decent benefits to support yourself or a family. That is why Union members/"patriots" buy domestic

[SupraLove]

Originally Posted by whaap

What's the saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Actually, it goes:

Fool me once... Shame on... Shame on you. Wait, but if you fool me once, I can't get fooled again!

[Admiral Ballsy]

Originally Posted by mattles

if it was possible for 2 american companies to somehow come together create a 200hp N/A FR sports coupe with a boxer motor and nearly perfect balance, then yes.

But thats impossible.

I don't know why you'd need two companies. The only reason Subaru is involved is that Toyota has so much internal bureaucracy that it was easier to hire out the engineering than to do it internally. Toyota could have done it solo, as could any company with the money and the motivation.

Having the balls to do it is another thing altogether.

Didn't need to be a flat engine, either. The reason it has one is because that's what Subaru makes. Remember, the only car Car and Driver has tested with a lower center of gravity is the ZR1 - no boxer there.

[jkonquer]

The idea of this car is the reason why i prefer japanese cars over american. Sure, american cars came long way, but they will never have cars like this simply because their philosophy of "sports" cars are different from japanese or even european. Im sure in near future they will have something similar. Only car i can think of from factory that shares similar philosophy will probably be a shelby cobra or gt (but those are all exotic car)

[mattles]

the ZR1 is practically an exotic though. No other american manf has the technology to put a drivetrain like that into a normal/practical car and make it as affordable as the BRZ/FRS.

[DaJo]

If the car was an American car; it simply cannot be a FT86 or have the traits of one... Period.

So my answer is a big no... As simple as that.