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Lets learn to drive manual! Save my clutch Season 1
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I noticed that there are a few of us learning/relearning to drive manual, I was hoping we could share some advice and ask for help in this thread. The amount of information online is overwhelming for beginners with "advanced" topics ranging from heel and toe, double clutching, and rev matching. I would like to focus on the basics of driving the car safely and with minimal wear and tear. I found this video how a clutch works to be pretty helpful for trying to understand what is actually happening when you press the clutch.
These two introductory videos on driving manual that I thought were also pretty good.
Useful Threads I was hoping the more experienced members could help put together a list of bad habits, that we should avoid. Bad Habits to Avoid:
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And one "myth" is that you cannot skip gears going up or down. That is not true. You may select any gear at any time if you know what you are doing. It will not hurt anything, but you need to learn proper rev matching techniques or you will prematurely wear out your synchros. |
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You've covered the bad habits.
The questions are answered as follows: 1. Neutral, foot on the service brake. In the UK you must also set your handbrake or you fail the driving test. This is not done in North America. 2. No, but I find myself doing it all the time. This forbidden technique dates back to days when you could miss a shift. Modern gearboxes are pretty much foolproof. 3. Always select the gear appropriate for the task you anticipate. If you are returning to cruise and the engine will pull fifth then re-select fifth. Coasting is not advised if only because the engine uses no fuel on overrun but does when idling. Coasting in gear is a better idea. I coast up to a stop though precisely for the reason underlying your question: if in neutral you're ready to select the gear you need if the light turns green or traffic starts to move. Coasting in neutral is now officially ok, it was frowned upon when gearboxes were trickier to use. Porsche now includes a freewheel in its PDK automatic, just like the old two stroke SAAB manual gearboxes. |
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Bad Habits to Avoid:
-Riding the clutch- Putting enough pressure on the clutch pedal to partially engage the friction plate on the clutch, therefore he clutchplate will not grip the flywheel properly and will partially slip. Keep your foot on the dead pedal when you aren't using the clutch. This will prevent this bad habit -Resting your hand on the shifter? Yep, keep hand off the shifter. It supposedly causes excess stress on the trans. This was more prevalent in older cars with older transmissions, but it has become a habit for me to not do so. Resting your hand on the e-brake feels very natural on this car. You can do that if you wish. ??? Questions: -What should I be doing while waiting at a traffic light(assume no incline)? Neutral? 1st with the clutch completely pressed?Full stop should always be back to netural. -If am making a left turn at intersection from a complete stop should I be shifting from 1st into 2nd while turning? Whatever you are comfortable with. I normally shift mid turn. -If I come out of 5th gear and I am coasting, then when I am ready to accelerate again, what gear should I put the car into? General rule of thumb is that you should never coast. This is due to the fact that if something out of the ordinary happens, you will not be able to maneuver out of the way due to the fact that you have no power. Good luck in your learning! |
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When its a stop sign or a changed light. You should have the clutch pressed & the car in 1st (or 2nd if snow), other foot on the break obviously. Helpful tip: If you're on an incline you can use the e-break if the idiot behind you is up you're ass. Eventually you'll get to a point where you know the release point & can quickly catch the car from moving back too much. Quote:
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Coasting tends to be a bad idea, I find myself only doing this when I'm coming to a red light, I might just put in neutral and coast to stop (note if you do this during test you will fail, you have to downshift+rev match to pass).
But if the light turns green and you are coasting, say you are going around 40Km/h you will need to blip/rev match into 4th gear. If you need to slow down to the traffic in front of you that's still moving, rev match and downshift. I would also avoid any downshifting to 1st gear, just put it in 1st when taking off from complete stop or <5-7km/h, you'll need to get a feel for this, it might be really weird at first. |
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These might also help if you're just starting to learn.
Liked this article, a must read if you're just starting to learn. http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/how...ion-1466331076 Once we you get the basics down then you need to start practicing on dealing with hills / inclines. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWh5BW-XwtM"]How to Drive a Stick Shift: Dealing with Hills - YouTube[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ0-dGwpPMs"]Tutorial: How to drive a stick uphill on a 2006 Subaru WRX STi - YouTube[/ame] Basic rev matching. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5TEUv__2m4"]How To Downshift and Rev Match in a Manual Car Driving in a 2011 Subaru WRX - YouTube[/ame] This one is more advanced. But once you're proficient enough on the over all basics then you can try this. Heel / Toe lesson: fast forward @ 13:37 on the video [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYeusE8ksk"]Porsche 911 GT3 with Hurley Haywood - Heel/Toe Shift Lesson - YouTube[/ame] Last edited by Pinoywhiz; 01-20-2014 at 03:49 PM. |
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Ok next question: When should I be coasting in gear(not touching any pedals) vs downshifting + rev matching?
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Edit: For me, I usually down shift because I anticipate the light changing soon if traffic isn't bad. With the exception of first, I never down shift to that. The only time I ever really put it in neutral and cruise is when I say go into my driveway. It's a habit I'm trying to get out of cruising in neutral. I did it more when I was learning. |
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I've instructed a couple of people on driving stick and the one common question they ask me is: "How do you know where your stick is (which row of gears)?"
1st/2nd means your stick is to the left 3rd/4th means your stick is in the middle or neutral position 5th/6th (or reverse in all of my previous cars) means your stick is to the right Usually when I shift from say 2nd to 3rd, I simply push up on the stick to the neutral position and it will automatically slip into the middle row and then I simply push up into the third. Of course, IRL, this is MUCH faster than it sounds but it is something to look for.
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I've never had any issues from resting my hand lightly on the shifter. Generally in this car, though, with my shift knob, I just don't rest it on the shifter unless I'm going to be making multiple shifts in a short period of time (maneuvering in traffic or rapidly accelerating). In my STI, it was much more comfortable to rest my hand on the shifter. In the BRZ, it's more comfortable to have it resting on the wheel.
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And when you're shifting don't grip the gearstick like you're going to rip it off. That deathgrip on the stick will give you more chance to misshift/grind gears.
It all comes down to practise. You can read countless of books and articles and such but actually driving the car will learn you more.
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Another bad habit you should add is using the clutch to hold a car at an incline for long periods of time. Can't tell you how many manual drivers ive seen that rock their cars back and forth on inclines.
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Although a very small percentage of MT drivers use it to smooth shifts and reduce mechanical wear, the main purpose of blipping the throttle during a downshift is to not upset the balance of the vehicle when braking into a high-speed turn, and that's really only critical in a racing situation. I've been driving MT for ~15 years and racing open-wheel cars for 4 years; I rarely blip the throttle on the street, but I do it every lap on the track. It's awkward and unnecessary on the street. In my experience and opinion. And you're spot on with the bad habits. Hands on the wheel unless you're shifting -- you might need them in a hurry. And use the dead pedal when your left foot isn't working the clutch. (Of course, I'm totally guilty of doing both from time to time.) |
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