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Old 11-17-2018, 11:06 PM   #15
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I'm getting some sort of strange cubby from this car. I think I need help.
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Old 11-18-2018, 09:46 AM   #16
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I am not sure what the Japanese designers are thinking these days.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cBiFJYtYpE[/ame]


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McOZQaKwTU[/ame]
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:04 AM   #17
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Probably designed by 10 different body panel committees that didn't communicate between each other.


Can we stop this silly trope? The designer makes the full design of the car, engineers decide if it will fit over the hard parts, slip through the air, and actually be able to be built. Then they iterate until the design is finalized. I know you are being facetious, but this line has been repeated so many times that I think people are starting to believe that there is a guy in a cubicle designing the visuals of the front of a car and another guy doing the rear. It just comes down to looks are subjective. Engineers and designers have to compromise.


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Old 11-18-2018, 11:46 AM   #18
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The red stripes and rear spoiler are too Type R esque for that car.
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:53 AM   #19
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Can we stop this silly trope? The designer makes the full design of the car, engineers decide if it will fit over the hard parts, slip through the air, and actually be able to be built. Then they iterate until the design is finalized. I know you are being facetious, but this line has been repeated so many times that I think people are starting to believe that there is a guy in a cubicle designing the visuals of the front of a car and another guy doing the rear. It just comes down to looks are subjective. Engineers and designers have to compromise.


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Yes it was facetious and it is an age old trope.
I fully understand how the design process really works.
There is not ONE designer but indeed a team of many with some big name as the head.
Yes they communicate.
Designs are made on public trend, surveys and input.
They are not pulled out of one guys ass.
The majority of this forum believes they know far more about cars than the engineers that designed them, the people that market them and and the techs that work on them.
Every single thing that gets changed on the car involves some sort of compromise to make it "better" and the "Engineers don't know shit" trope is perpetuated.

I used the trope because it accurately describes how I feel about that abomination. I will continue to use trope, cliche, exaggeration, irony and sarcasm as I see fit.
If people take everything as fact and can't see blatant trope when the read it then it just confirms that they will believe anything.
When this forum reaches the point where it is restricted to fact, fact, and only fact then I hope both the members that are still here enjoy it.
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:26 PM   #20
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I'm getting some sort of strange cubby from this car. I think I need help.
Warning: Repeated viewing may cause blindness.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egloPsOJyTk[/ame]


Interesting tire spec on the prototype video that would eliminate it from H Street Class minimum UTQG treadwear grade of 200:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...omCompare1=yes

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Old 11-20-2018, 12:55 PM   #21
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Ditch every piece of bullshit that doesn't actually do something.
Yeah, but define "do something" first.
"Do something" could mean anything from deliver small-to-moderate downforce or aero, to "transform car into rear-biased race car"

I mean, even the 86's $700 OEM faux-diffuser probably does provide some benefit, right?
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Old 11-20-2018, 01:30 PM   #22
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the TRD updates are pretty cool and I especially like that wing on the camry.

my concern is that toyota has made it very clear that "TRD" means no extra power...trd 86, trd pro, etc...so probably safe to say the rumors about the Supra having a more powerful TRD version are bullshit.
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Old 11-20-2018, 02:28 PM   #23
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Yeah, but define "do something" first.
"Do something" could mean anything from deliver small-to-moderate downforce or aero, to "transform car into rear-biased race car"

I mean, even the 86's $700 OEM faux-diffuser probably does provide some benefit, right?
Mmmmm... It comes down to appearance versus function versus cost... blah blah...


For $700 it should be a full on diffuser. That's partly why I get grumpy about it. Racing development my ass.
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the TRD updates are pretty cool and I especially like that wing on the camry.

my concern is that toyota has made it very clear that "TRD" means no extra power...trd 86, trd pro, etc...so probably safe to say the rumors about the Supra having a more powerful TRD version are bullshit.
Any cars that actually offer extra power will not be TRD. They will be GRMN.
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Any cars that actually offer extra power will not be TRD. They will be GRMN.
sure but either way they ain't bringing any GR/GRMN models here, TRD would throw a huge sissy fit....no GRMN 86, Yaris, etc. Plus I thought GR/GRMN was made specifically for EU & Asia (considering the Nurburgring reference..), markets where the TRD brand never became big.
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the TRD updates are pretty cool and I especially like that wing on the camry.

my concern is that toyota has made it very clear that "TRD" means no extra power...trd 86, trd pro, etc...so probably safe to say the rumors about the Supra having a more powerful TRD version are bullshit.
No extra power claims but TRD says their other exhausts fatten up the low rpm torque curve and push a few more hp on the high end so that's something. The unsprung weight savings is a plus. The beefier brakes will be appreciated on a heavy F/F car. Performance rubber, lower ride height, stiffer chassis, springs and sways are all things enthusiasts will appreciate.

They made comprehensive mechanical improvements with previously approved certifications and turned a grocery getter into something special. Aesthetics are personal but TRD pulled a rabbit out of a hat on this one.
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Ditch every piece of bullshit that doesn't actually do something.
Appearing or hiding something else is still doing something...

Disguising too. For example, fake vents disguise a boring car as an exciting car, leading to better sales.

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No extra power claims but TRD says their other exhausts fatten up the low rpm torque curve and push a few more hp on the high end so that's something. The unsprung weight savings is a plus. The beefier brakes will be appreciated on a heavy F/F car. Performance rubber, lower ride height, stiffer chassis, springs and sways are all things enthusiasts will appreciate.

They made comprehensive mechanical improvements with previously approved certifications and turned a grocery getter into something special. Aesthetics are personal but TRD pulled a rabbit out of a hat on this one.
for sure...I'm not saying that the updates weren't significant, just that Toyota is still playing the US market very conservatively when it comes to offering more power for their highest trims...doesn't bode well for the Supra which I'm sure we all agree will have a TRD variant. Like it wasn't that long ago that they took a shot at offering the 2ZZ on the Celica/Corolla/Matrix, and this was during some of their "darkest" years when it comes to enthusiast offerings..
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