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Pure Automotive · 01-05-2018, 12:43 PM

The F20C swap will be with the stock S2000 transmission. They are decent up to 500-600. And the best part is, unlike a CD009, T56, etc, it fits in the stock tunnel without the use of a 10lb sledge hammer!

86Tony · 01-05-2018, 11:21 PM

Will the k20/24 be using the s2k tranny aswell?? If so im gonna start finding a motor and tranny soon..... also for ecu plug and play package will you guys be using Motec or Kpro ???

ZDan · 01-06-2018, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NOHOME

But at the end of the day, not that much less $$$ or effort than the LS swap. The fact is that in any swap the engine and gearbox hardly factor in the final cost since it is all the details and surrounding cast that consume the $$$

If you're using j/y parts maybe engine/trans costs aren't all that significant. But I recently put brand new forged stroker LS3 and T56 Magnum transmission in the FD and I noticed the outflow of $$$$$! That was after the old j/y LS2 swap developed cracks in #7 piston ringlands and the j/y F-bod T56 in addition to being balky in general started popping out of 3rd at the track at the most inopportune times

Meanwhile the engine and trans in my '01 S2000 are fine at 253k miles after 10 years of daily-driving and many track days.

I would not hesitate to swap a used j/y F20C/M6 into a car for street/track fun.
I don't think I'd do it with an LS-swap again though, for my usage.

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For a daily driver, you would end up driving with less torque in the 2500 to 4000 rpm where most of us drive. I want MORE torque in this band since torque is what pushes you back in the seat.

In reality, surprisingly to me even the '17 BRZ with 4.3 diff doesn't feel any more "punchy" for the situation you describe than my '01 S2000, maybe less so. Partly due to the AP1 trans being shorter-geared (numerically higher) but also due to the fact that you're already running into the FA20 torque dip by 3500rpm, whereas in the S2000 the torque is pretty flat up to 6000.

IMO F20C (or F22C) into FT86 should be a pretty brilliant swap. If it came like that in 2013 I would have bought one then instead of waiting til just a few weeks ago!

Harlock · 01-06-2018, 11:17 AM

I'll probably just save up for this lol

Pure Automotive · 01-06-2018, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 86Tony

Will the k20/24 be using the s2k tranny aswell?? If so im gonna start finding a motor and tranny soon..... also for ecu plug and play package will you guys be using Motec or Kpro ???

S2000 Transmission is the likely candidate. We would do something similar to our MoTeC package where the factory dash, power steering, abs, etc all work

86Tony · 01-06-2018, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure Automotive

S2000 Transmission is the likely candidate. We would do something similar to our MoTeC package where the factory dash, power steering, abs, etc all work

Sounds greats, when will we get to kno pricing on the plug and play package? Gonna start lookin for tranny and K24 asap been waiting for this kit since the 86 was out.

JazzleSAURUS · 01-08-2018, 01:56 PM

If I keep my BRZ...

ST185RC · 01-08-2018, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MRS-Colin

Bone stock 185 with no rusts

I guess since you are in Canada its easier to get an RC

Guilty as charged. I do miss my RC quite a bit but I don't think there's any left in circulation to buy anymore

Pure Automotive · 01-09-2018, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 86Tony

Sounds greats, when will we get to kno pricing on the plug and play package? Gonna start lookin for tranny and K24 asap been waiting for this kit since the 86 was out.

Our normal price on the 2JZ and LSX MoTeC kit is $5895. We are trying something new to attempt to shave the price down significantly without losing any of the benefits, it will take a little extra time for us to develop but it will be worth the wait for the consumer hopefully

86Tony · 01-09-2018, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure Automotive

Our normal price on the 2JZ and LSX MoTeC kit is $5895. We are trying something new to attempt to shave the price down significantly without losing any of the benefits, it will take a little extra time for us to develop but it will be worth the wait for the consumer hopefully

Perfect cant fucking wait!!!

Irace86.2.0 · 01-10-2018, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pure Automotive

Our normal price on the 2JZ and LSX MoTeC kit is $5895. We are trying something new to attempt to shave the price down significantly without losing any of the benefits, it will take a little extra time for us to develop but it will be worth the wait for the consumer hopefully

It would be sweet if the price for your kit plus a used engine/tranny was sub $10k +/- for a DIYer looking to do their own install...not including tidbits and incidentals like engine/tranny tuneups, small fixes (like broken sensors, hoses, etc), new parts (like clutches/flywheels) and after the sale of the stock motor/tranny. This would make a swap comparable in cost to FI on a built motor, but with more reliability and probably higher power potential.

Jaden · 01-12-2018, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure Automotive

Our normal price on the 2JZ and LSX MoTeC kit is $5895. We are trying something new to attempt to shave the price down significantly without losing any of the benefits, it will take a little extra time for us to develop but it will be worth the wait for the consumer hopefully

Once this is developed, wouldn't the same harness be usable for the sr20det as well with some sensor plug changes?

Jaden

spitfire481 · 01-12-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaden

Once this is developed, wouldn't the same harness be usable for the sr20det as well with some sensor plug changes?

Jaden

the harness isn't the hard part, its writing the firmware to make everything work together that's time consuming.

Soloside · 01-12-2018, 04:30 PM

so 1/2 of the price of a 2jz swap....

how much are we talking about here. MY CHECK BOOK IS READY

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