Third Party Testing: Crawford Billet Power Blocks (BPB / Manifold Spacers)

[fredfromnh]

Anyway u could dyno these with every header on the market without finding any that make more power than what I bought, on ur dime with before and after pulls in each gear including reverse? I'm looking for 400 whp na. And tell Crawford to cut the price by 65 percent. Jk.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis

I've said it before now I'll say it again:
It's a friggin business, not a charity.
They develop products to make money, not out of the goodness of their hearts.
They can and will charge whatever customers will pay.
If you don't like the price, don't buy it, but for fuck's sake don't whine about it.

Not only that, they obviously don't even know what it actually costs to make the product and bring it to market. It's magic land where CNCs grow on trees and they are powered by fusion all subsidized by Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

Not only that, they obviously don't even know what it actually costs to make the product and bring it to market. It's magic land where CNCs grow on trees and they are powered by fusion all subsidized by Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

Damn really? I'm down for three then

[mid_life_crisis]

Considering that the factory intake on an NA car seems to be weak only at peak rpms and this thing enhances high rpms, it would seem reasonable to expect these to be even more effective with an improved intake.
Of course what seems reasonable is often shot down by the realities of physics.

[WolfsFang]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

I'm curious what you think machining two of these out of billet aluminum should cost based on just parts and labor based on your expert opinion. Feel free to itemize.

Originally Posted by Boxer486

You actually think you can buy a 6061 billet aluminum block in that size for $10-$15 piecemeal? Yeah just $20 in 'personnel' and shipping expenses, lol right. Business fail.

Seeing as how 6061 aluminum is one of the most common aluminum available I dont think it is that hard.

Oh look what I found, a place that CNC's billet aluminum for no more then $50 a piece. I can also post around 100 more links to places like this if you really want me to.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detai...26484.html?s=p (wow they even have a R&D department!)

So in all it is around $100, seems like @kodyo hit the ball out of the park. So they are adding almost $300 in R&D cost. Also if anyone thinks im bashing the product or the company im not. Im just stating my opinion on the price and thats it, if these were $200-300 then I would of never said anything.... Im done with this argument, I got my point across.

[Captain Snooze]

It would seem some people have never tried running a small business.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by WolfsFang

I got my point across.

lol

[kodyo]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

You actually think you can buy a 6061 billet aluminum block in that size for $10-$15 piecemeal? Yeah just $20 in 'personnel' and shipping expenses, lol right. Business fail.

I'm not going to get into an internet pissing contest with you. If you think it's wrong, do the math yourself and post it.

[OICU812]

@nelsmar may or may not have said some things that offended some people. I do not care. Fact is he took the time, his personal time to trial something and to provide data to the community. I for one am thankfull of that. I am willing to bet half the people that bitch would not take such time from their personal lives to do such extensive testing or share with everyone out there. My opinion of course, time is money for anyone and anywhere....

[Scalzo]

whats the increase of power with a turbo kit added?

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by WolfsFang

Seeing as how 6061 aluminum is one of the most common aluminum available I dont think it is that hard.

Oh look what I found, a place that CNC's billet aluminum for no more then $50 a piece. I can also post around 100 more links to places like this if you really want me to.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detai...26484.html?s=p (wow they even have a R&D department!)

So in all it is around $100, seems like @kodyo hit the ball out of the park. So they are adding almost $300 in R&D cost. Also if anyone thinks im bashing the product or the company im not. Im just stating my opinion on the price and thats it, if these were $200-300 then I would of never said anything.... Im done with this argument, I got my point across.

Lol, alibaba, you just confirmed your ignorance. Have fun in Shenzen, don't forget to bring a mask. Enjoy the bath you're gonna take when you find you have to throw away all those out of spec blocks that don't match the prototype they sent you. You should just CH11 right now and save yourself the trouble.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Scalzo

whats the increase of power with a turbo kit added?

IMO, not worth it with a turbo kit. You can just add another 1psi (or less) of boost to get the same increase or more.

[Boxer486]

Originally Posted by WolfsFang

So in all it is around $100, seems like @kodyo hit the ball out of the park. So they are adding almost $300 in R&D cost......

if these were $200-300 then I would of never said anything.... Im done with this argument, I got my point across.

Lol, $300 RnD markup? No room for profit or overhead in your socialist utopia huh? Crawford goes back to his grey cement block apartment every night so he can wake up to make more widgets for the motherland?

If enough people buy then they are around $300 after the GB discount! So how about you stop whining and take a math and economics class.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

It would seem some people have never tried running a small business.

Agreed. No one makes parts like this out of the goodness of their hearts; they do it to make money. Even if it magically only cost $0.01 to make, if people are willing to pay $300 then you show a profit and get to stay in business. I didn't think it was a difficult concept.