'17 Toyota 86 vs '17 Maza MX-5 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

tanner · 05-31-2017, 08:27 PM

Both great fun sport cars for the buck.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSq5Zb5ZNWY"]2017 Mazda MX-5 Miata RF vs. 2017 Toyota 86 - Head 2 Head Ep. 89 - YouTube[/ame]

Scrappydoo · 05-31-2017, 08:33 PM

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Both great fun sport cars for the buck.

I'd love a Maza. It's different in Russian you know..

RippedManiac · 06-02-2017, 01:51 PM

I drive a '17 brz and my friend drives a '16 miata. Both great cars. Miatas are a little faster because theyre lightweight. Softer, more refined ride. The fkn brz is a more serious feeling sportscar. You really have to rev the snot out of it to make it go quick.

JT.86 · 06-02-2017, 02:22 PM

miata is like 5k more msrp though

Tcoat · 06-02-2017, 02:50 PM

They are almost away from goofy looking faces on the front end of the Mazdas. Almost, but not quite there yet.

Mule · 06-02-2017, 08:56 PM

Would have bought a Miata instead of FRS if it had 2 back seats - not that I'm regretting FRS purchase, but that inline four is special, and it's likely 1 of 4-5 cars produced that feels discernibly lighter than the FRS.

Miata ride, motor and tranny w/ FRS chassis would be damn close to a perfect car...

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Frost · 06-02-2017, 11:00 PM

I've had a chance to sit in the new RF and the standard MX5 and while I LOVE the car, I do not feel safe in it on the track.

Why?

Me with a helmet means I have less than 2" from the windshield. I KNOW I will smash my head into it in a crash.

Tcoat · 06-03-2017, 12:29 AM

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Would have bought a Miata instead of FRS if it had 2 back seats - not that I'm regretting FRS purchase, but that inline four is special, and it's likely 1 of 4-5 cars produced that feels discernibly lighter than the FRS.

Miata ride, motor and tranny w/ FRS chassis would be damn close to a perfect car...

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But the Maza motor and tranny could suck in the heavier car. Same as a Miata with a back seat and the changes required to have it would no longer feel like a Miata.
Now a Miata with an FRS engine may be a beast.

Mule · 06-03-2017, 10:12 AM

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But the Maza motor and tranny could suck in the heavier car. Same as a Miata with a back seat and the changes required to have it would no longer feel like a Miata.

Now a Miata with an FRS engine may be a beast.

I'm sorry but the FA20 doesn't belong in anyone's hypothetical 'perfect' car...

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Tcoat · 06-03-2017, 10:36 AM

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I'm sorry but the FA20 doesn't belong in anyone's hypothetical 'perfect' car...

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Care to explain? There are many fans of the engine. I personally will take one over the Mazda stuff any day.

nikitopo · 06-03-2017, 10:58 AM

Do you know many modern (low emission) NA engines that have an output of 100hp per liter? The FA20 is a very good engine.

Mule · 06-03-2017, 11:22 AM

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Care to explain? There are many fans of the engine. I personally will take one over the Mazda stuff any day.

The FA20's power curve resembles a poor man's VTEC with a crater in the middle. Couple that with the fact that it sounds like domesticated tractor and you can see why it doesn't belong in any dream car.

I know it's tough to consciously ignore a bias but come on man, there's plenty of better 4 bangers out there. The Miata's being one of them. S2000 inline 4 another.

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Tcoat · 06-03-2017, 11:34 AM

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The FA20's power curve resembles a poor man's VTEC with a crater in the middle. Couple that with the fact that it sounds like domesticated tractor and you can see why it doesn't belong in any dream car.

I know it's tough to consciously ignore a bias but come on man, there's plenty of better 4 bangers out there. The Miata's being one of them. S2000 inline 4 another.

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Never been a fan of an inline 4. I have however enjoyed a few boxer engines. Funny you use bias while demonstrating a heavy one yourself. Everybody's idea of a dream car is different and a Mazda in,ine 4 would have zero place in mine.

Mule · 06-03-2017, 11:40 AM

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Never been a fan of an inline 4. I have however enjoyed a few boxer engines. Funny you use bias while demonstrating a heavy one yourself. Everybody's idea of a dream car is different and a Mazda in,ine 4 would have zero place in mine.

How am I demonstrating bias? I own an FRS. Get off your horse bud, I've seen you all over this forum poking and prodding people.

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