2017 Toyota 86..More reliable?

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by wparsons

They were on sale as 2012's in the rest of the world, North America got them a bit later and shouldn't have had any "rushed to market" issues like terrible QC (wires hanging out).

Mine is an early 2012 build date, delivered July 2012 and I haven't had any serious issues at all. Tail lights were replaced under warranty, and everything else has been routine maintenance.

Same for me, exactly.

The first shipment for '13's in Canada arrived May '12 and was produced in April. That's pretty early in 2012 for a 2013 model year. I believe production started Jan/Feb '12 for shipments to certain markets, so I suppose at some point it was required to identify as a 2012. By the time we got our cars they had probably made hundreds if not possibly over 1000 units, lots of time for them to smooth out the initial burps in production when they occur.

I think Japan received their first shipments a few months after North America. Perhaps they wanted to make sure they have everything worked thru for the domestic customers. Japanese are funny that way.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by wbradley

I think Japan received their first shipments a few months after North America. Perhaps they wanted to make sure they have everything worked thru for the domestic customers. Japanese are funny that way.

The 86 started manufacturing in Feb/2012, and went on sale in Japan in March/2012. It went on sale in the US in May/2012. (at least that's my recollection).

[stanleycjohn]

Originally Posted by Futaba

Think of them as personality traits rather than issues and you'll be much happier.

haha exactly!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Futaba

Think of them as personality traits rather than issues and you'll be much happier.

This is probably the wisest statement I have ever read on this forum!

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The 86 started manufacturing in Feb/2012, and went on sale in Japan in March/2012. It went on sale in the US in May/2012. (at least that's my recollection).

I placed my order the day they went on sale here in April. A month later I showed up for an event where they had an autobox demo, and I waived my right of refusal then and there for the order. A few weeks later I had my car. I think the US orders might have started a week later, except for the First 86 program (or whatever it was called).
You are probably right regards to Japan. Not sure of exact details but I seem to recall after I got my car and joined this forum, reading they were still waiting for the cars over there. It appeared to me they sent at least one or two ship loads to the US and at least one shipment to Canada before dealers there got them.
Perhaps someone from Japan can chime in if the read this.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The 86 started manufacturing in Feb/2012, and went on sale in Japan in March/2012. It went on sale in the US in May/2012. (at least that's my recollection).

According to this they started making 'sales' on it February 3rd.

http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/news/pr...12_03_28e.html

Wiki says first cars were assembled 2/2, dunno if that was first cars completed or when the final assembly line first fired up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota...and_Production

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS

I really can't imagine the flag ship Miata being built as well or near as well as this car. I may be kiddin my self because I've never been in one but I just don't see it being much different in quality

Buddy has an NC, brother has an NB. Depends on how you define 'built as well' if you mean the quality and longevity in which things are bolted together and how all the parts hold up over time, I'd say they're bang on equal with each other. The ND looks to be on par as well if not a step up possibly.

Where the Miata takes the edge is that the powertrain seems to be designed to take all the abuse a responsible owner could ever throw at it and the double wishbone suspension design is made to be driven hard with fewer modifications than the 86's MacPherson strut/multi-link setup.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by wbradley

I think the US orders might have started a week later, except for the First 86 program (or whatever it was called).

The First86 cars were delivered early in May 2012.

First US delivery was to @Pekingduck on or around 5/2/2012.

I took delivery of mine on May 11th. The ones on the West Coast were delivered a bit earlier because of ship time to Southeast Toyota on the east coast.

Regular US deliveries started on June 1st officially although some dealers may have cheated on the 30 day thing.

[wbradley]

Well, having sold Mazda way back when the NA Miata was released, I liked the idea of getting one of the very first ones when the twins went on sale. This despite the belief of many that you should wait at least one year to get the bugs ironed out.

Nothing could ever get started if there weren't early adopters. And, so I "suffered" terribly having to have a set of water laden tall lights replaced LOL

Perhaps with some manufacturers, buying the first generation is more risky. Toyota is one company I feel comfortable with even with a first model year. If there is the need for perhaps one repair that could have been avoided waiting another year, who cares. I liked seeing people turn their heads when I drove past, not having seen one before. Where I live you need a much more expensive car to do that typically.