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Why would you buy one that *NEEDS* new bushings? Pre-purchase inspection... If it needs new bushings, offer less money taking that into account. Of course you can get S2000s newer than 10 years old, if you don't mind paying more for the same performance. Quote:
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It's not for everyone, though. If you want a hardtop and 2+2 utility, FR-S, for sure is the way to go. If you want a 50/50 f/r roadster with ~20% more power, S2000. |
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The S2k owners who sell are typically ones who failed inspection and then they can only sell to a dealer who magically has the certification to pass inspection. Buying used cars around here is a PITA and buying one from out of state is almost impossible unless you are good friends with an inspector. Its a racket.
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Agreed. I'm 6'2" and the top of my helmet was a good 3"+ above the roll hoops. My helmet did still clear the soft top when up, thankfully.
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I would disagree with respect to the roll hoop height. I am 5' 11" and have no issues will helmet / roll hoop height.
Also, I have had my 2001 since November 00', used it for numerous track events and have not had any suspension issues. I also agree with ZDan's comments above. The FR-S / BRZ is a great car if you need or want a hardtop / the storage space of rear seats. However, the S2K (even used) is a better car in all respects. |
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This guy is 5'7", *barely* passes the broomstick test with an aftermarket bar that is at least 3" higher than the plastic covering the factory hoops. If the group you run with is leniant, that's great, but anyone reading this who wants to do track events in an S2000 should know that you might need an aftermarket roll bar. Some sanctioning bodies require it as a matter of course, regardless of whether you might pass "broomstick test" with the factory hoops. |
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Except CoG, Chassis rigidity, track width, range, mileage, torque, weight. Apart from weight distribution and double wishbones, any other complaints about the 86 can be fixed or improved relative to the S2000.
Don't forget, the S2000 cost around $40K in 2000 while the 86 is around $25K in 2013. Far superior accessibility and price performance ratio. When it was new I personally found it rather fat and overpriced for a roadster. I'm not into comparing used versus new cars myself. If you want to compared used cars, why stop at Honda? Porsche and others have used cars too. The S2000 isn't the Holy Grail or anything. Last edited by Anaxilus; 09-26-2013 at 05:07 PM. |
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For what it's worth, the difference in c.g. height is about 1/2". Not a huge deal. Chassis rigidity is of course sacrificed as the S is a convertible, but it's still respectable at ~22,000 N-m/degree. Range: I get 350+ miles per tank on the highway in the S, not bad. Mileage, I get 30 hwy, 25 combined city/hwy. Regarding torque, the FR-S doesn't make more of it (it makes less than the 2.2 S2000). It does make more at lower revs. But personally I'd be willing to sacrifice that for 20% more horsepower! Regarding weight, the '00/'01 and the '08/'09 CR model weighed about what the FR-S/BRZ weigh: 2750 or so lb. The heaviest AP2s were 2840 lb. I was also disappointed that the S2000's weight wasn't closer to the Miata, but it's not that bad relative to the twins. Quote:
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You can get about -1.5 at the front with just the crash bolts too on the BRS/FRS. I'm actually having a hard time now finding cheap/lightweight wheels that won't rub the bottom of the spring perch. |
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That's why I said for a roadster. The 86 is a GT coupe and makes the rest of the class out there look like SUVs. Personally I could give a rat's ass about stock power. You can make power in any car, that's the least on my worries when buying a car unless I'm not a wrench turner. Never said the S2000 is a bad car. I just dispute that it is a "better car in all respects" to the 86 which cost 35% less brand new. How much more love would the 86 get by 'enthusiasts' if it came w/ sticky 255 rubber in the back like the S2000 CR? Plus which S2000 are we talking about? The $35K 2900lb model or the $38k CR at 2750lb. |
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It's actually a little frustrating now with this much negative camber at the front. I need to find wheels with an offset of at least +42 or lower, otherwise, the inner front tire will rub against the lower spring perch under compression. I think your standard RPF1 17x8 +45 track wheel will actually rub. I know that my 17x7.5 +50 definitely did. |
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IMO, the CR is more of a collector's car. Throw in some aero, wheels/tires, and suspension, and you're already faster than a CR. Actually, if you look at used CRs, they're way more expensive than your average base S2000. |
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