Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

It may be a internal company naming error, J29 for sure is the name of the supra.

Also the japan times in april published some rumors saying the next gen 86 will be 2021 and powered by the FA24. Also subaru and toyota relations were still strong.



This is definitely a lower tier supra using the B series bmw 4 cylinder.....

I would tend to believe internal company documents more than the Japan Times which just deals with rumors. As I understand the history, the 86 was the name for Toyota's front engine/rear wheel drive sports car over the years. The FT stood for "Future Toyota". So using the FT86 designation internally makes sense to me. Could there remain the current version as well? Perhaps, but having three sports cars, which sell at low volumes, at a Toyota dealership just doesn't translate. Especially when two of them have 4 cyl engines.

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[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

They say hope springs eternal

It's not like it's unheard of. The 2014 Chevy SS was auto only, the next year for 2015 a manual option was added.

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"you had my curiosity, now you have my attention."

[WolfpackS2k]

True, but that platform had already been available with a manual transmission for years at that point (sold in AUS).

Looks like we got some official powertrain info:

The lower-powered version uses the BMW B48B20 turbocharged four-cylinder engine displacing two liters and producing 262 horsepower, while the high-power version will use the single-turbo inline-six B58B30 BMW engine and will produce 335 horsepower, according to the document.

And JUST LIKE THAT, now we know why Toyota refuses to offer a more powerful BRZ/FRS engine option. It would outperform (by a long shot) the base 262hp Supra.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by rvoll

Only facts. Did you look at the referenced material or just post this remark? The material said "Supra (GT86;J29)" If Toyota were to keep the Twin 86, why would they also use that designation for the Supra? Think about it....

If you think this logic is wrong, please tell all of us your analysis....

My concern is that you're deriving these "facts" from an article that is completely speculative. There is no information other than a transmission catalog sheet and you've come to the conclusion that the GT86 is being replaced and the BRZ is dead. There aren't any facts in that article that point to either of those things, the BRZ isn't even mentioned.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

My concern is that you're deriving these "facts" from an article that is completely speculative. There is no information other than a transmission catalog sheet and you've come to the conclusion that the GT86 is being replaced and the BRZ is dead. There aren't any facts in that article that point to either of those things, the BRZ isn't even mentioned.

Agreed.. The article only confirms a 4cyl Supra is coming. Doesnt mention it replacing the current GT86 or the end of the BRZ.

[Swabodda]

Originally Posted by yurikaze

I'm seeing two transmission choices for the 4-cylinder too.

I thought that was you over on Jalopnik, lol.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

My concern is that you're deriving these "facts" from an article that is completely speculative. There is no information other than a transmission catalog sheet and you've come to the conclusion that the GT86 is being replaced and the BRZ is dead. There aren't any facts in that article that point to either of those things, the BRZ isn't even mentioned.

Why is GT86 even on the transmission sheet in the first place though? Thats the weird part.

[BigHugeFatGuy]

Originally Posted by TorontoNat

This is huge. BMWturbo engine in a FRS basicly? love it. Would make me consider trading in my MY13.

Nah. Everything I've read says the Supra be ~3,400 lbs. With an estimated 350 hp, that's 4th gen Camaro performance (better handling and interior of course, but not great).

[DesertLava]

Originally Posted by rvoll

I would tend to believe internal company documents more than the Japan Times which just deals with rumors. As I understand the history, the 86 was the name for Toyota's front engine/rear wheel drive sports car over the years. The FT stood for "Future Toyota". So using the FT86 designation internally makes sense to me. Could there remain the current version as well? Perhaps, but having three sports cars, which sell at low volumes, at a Toyota dealership just doesn't translate. Especially when two of them have 4 cyl engines.

I agree with this logic. 4 cyl 86, 4 cyl Supra, 6 cyl Supra. Something has to give. The 6 cyl Supra is obviously confirmed... The leaked document leads me to believe the 4 cyl Supra-GT86 will replace the current 86. However, I don't know if thats a good thing. Only so much weight can be reduced from the 6 cyl Supra. It will likely be heavier than the current Toyota 86... But it will have more power too. Could be a similar power to weight ratio at the end of the day, but with the turbo feels.

[Trueweltall]

Originally Posted by DesertLava

Could be a similar power to weight ratio at the end of the day, but with the turbo feels.

No one would buy it if that were the case. It'd be the same argument that the GT86,FRS,BRZ is too slow. Why spend more money for something because it has the Supra name slapped on it?

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by BigHugeFatGuy

Nah. Everything I've read says the Supra be ~3,400 lbs. With an estimated 350 hp, that's 4th gen Camaro performance (better handling and interior of course, but not great).

Keep reading, the car will most likely be around 3100lbs and possibly lighter for the 4 cylinder version. It's also much smaller than a camaro.

Originally Posted by Trueweltall

No one would buy it if that were the case. It'd be the same argument that the GT86,FRS,BRZ is too slow. Why spend more money for something because it has the Supra name slapped on it?

If the 4 cylinder supra weighed around 3000lbs and makes 260hp it would be a much better p/w ratio than the gt86. Also, it wouldn't have torque dip. And it would be much easier to get more power out of compared to the 86.

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

My concern is that you're deriving these "facts" from an article that is completely speculative. There is no information other than a transmission catalog sheet and you've come to the conclusion that the GT86 is being replaced and the BRZ is dead. There aren't any facts in that article that point to either of those things, the BRZ isn't even mentioned.

I didn't say anything about the BRZ, but if the Twin 86 is no longer at Toyota, the volume of the BRZ will be much less. It may still exist if it makes a profit, but no one knows.

I just thought it was interesting to find that designation on an INTERNAL document. Obviously, you don't..... Do you also think there is a conspiracy theory at work here and someone fabricated this document?