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View Poll Results: What name should Toyota use for the production Toyota FT-1?
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Old 03-09-2018, 02:10 AM   #2213
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Electric racks have no hydraulic system involved by virtue that there are no fluids in the system to change or leak. For one thing electric racks are much more simple and compact. The downside is that the feel is just not as good as traditional hydraulic racks.

The twin's rack feels really good despite being electric, same with the one in the VW which was at one time adjustable in terms of heaviness via VAGCOM. I've also driven some truly awful ones like in a modern Honda or Lexus of the last decade.
I am suggesting it is not hydraulic versus electric per se; it is their implementation.
The first electric steering on which ever Porsche it was was said to be the fall of civilisation, atrocious, lacking in feel , numb, no feed back, yada yada yada. The current GT3's steering is better than 99.999999999% of cars on the road.
My father's 760 Volvo had hydraulic assist and there was no feedback. The only indication I had about the steering was the vague direction of where the front was going.


If you look up the definition of "barge" it wouldn't surprise me to read "synonym of Volvo 760".
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Old 03-09-2018, 02:38 AM   #2214
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Fewer compromises in the engineering, better quality materials, tighter quality control throughout the manufacturing process, etc. It isn't a mystery why premium vehicles demand a premium price. Any car can have the same level of reliability as the premium brands but it costs money to get it.
Guess that explains Cadillac, Jaguar, Land Rover, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi being further down the list than Chevrolet and Kia......
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Guess that explains Cadillac, Jaguar, Land Rover, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi being further down the list than Chevrolet and Kia......
Well sometimes the premiums don't do it right and the lesser ones do.
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Fewer compromises in the engineering, better quality materials, tighter quality control throughout the manufacturing process, etc. It isn't a mystery why premium vehicles demand a premium price. Any car can have the same level of reliability as the premium brands but it costs money to get it.
I think there is a little bit of "brand snobbery" mob mentality that plays into it as well. The "I've spent all this money so of course I'm going to say it's "reliable".

In addition many owners of these cars don't own them long enough for problems to start popping up, while if you move down the list longer ownership becomes the norm.

Every car I've ever owned would have received the same "dependability" rating from me in the first 100,000 miles.

I also find the disclaimer at the bottom interesting saying this is not based on any statistical significance.
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I think there is a little bit of "brand snobbery" mob mentality that plays into it as well. The "I've spent all this money so of course I'm going to say it's "reliable".

In addition many owners of these cars don't own them long enough for problems to start popping up, while if you move down the list longer ownership becomes the norm.

Every car I've ever owned would have received the same "dependability" rating from me in the first 100,000 miles.

I also find the disclaimer at the bottom interesting saying this is not based on any statistical significance.
All that doesn't even touch the indiscriminate use of the word "reliable" either. The twins initially had a horrible reliability rating because of the crickets and condensation in the tail lights. I personally do not see how either of these effects how reliable the car is. The people buying Kias may overlook some little things since "hey I bought a Kia" whereas a person with a Landover that has a 1/2 inch of crooked stitching in the trunk matting may scream bloody blue murder. The "reliability" stats are questionable at best since it isn't a level playing field at the best of times.
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Electric racks have no hydraulic system involved by virtue that there are no fluids in the system to change or leak. For one thing electric racks are much more simple and compact. The downside is that the feel is just not as good as traditional hydraulic racks.

The twin's rack feels really good despite being electric, same with the one in the VW which was at one time adjustable in terms of heaviness via VAGCOM. I've also driven some truly awful ones like in a modern Honda or Lexus of the last decade.
That may be true for some, but the, "Electric" power steering on the 2010+ Mazdaspeed 3 utilizes a hydraulic rack, and an electric motor to spin the pump on demand.
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For what it's worth, my brother owned a 2008 7 series for almost a decade. He drove it to almost 300,000km with 20,000km oil change intervals. The only thing he "fixed" was a single ignition coil.

I've also seen a 5 series with 250,000km recently I don't know it's history but the trunk button didn't work, other than that it drove and worked perfectly.

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Petition to get the Supra a manual transmission option. Doubt it'll do any good but hey, signing a petition can't do any harm.

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Completely disagree. That Camaro would still weigh 200lbs more and be a much bigger and less nimble profile for a sports car. Yeah you can put a good suspension and grippy rubber on a lead sled drag car, but that doesn't make it fun to drive or necessarily fastest. The Mustang 350 is even heavier still at 3,800 lbs!! That's a difference of two NFL Offensive Linemen duct taped to your car....

Some of us actually appreciate that the key to a great sports car is less weight, not just adding cheap power.
Yeah and I'm one of those people. I've never owned a sports car that weighs more than 3000 lb. But given the choice between more weight w/manual transmision or less weight with auto I will take the weight. And I'll also take a 3800 lb car with a screaming V8 engine over a Supra with it's engine lifted from a 240i.

I've never owned a domestic car but you can't deny the goodness of the Mustang/Camaro

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J&D ratings don't mean much if you're planning to own the vehicle more than it's lease/warranty period. BMW's big problems seem to occur soon thereafter. I have nothing bad to say about a BMW ownership experience when a car is new. But that goes without saying really, in 2018 one would expect any car to be trouble free for the first 3-5 years.
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J&D ratings don't mean much if you're planning to own the vehicle more than it's lease/warranty period. BMW's big problems seem to occur soon thereafter. I have nothing bad to say about a BMW ownership experience when a car is new. But that goes without saying really, in 2018 one would expect any car to be trouble free for the first 3-5 years.
i have owned an E36, E39, E60, and F10. like i said before, from my experiences with these cars the motor and tranny is fine. but its the electronic that goes to crap over time. with that said it shouldn't to be too bad for the Supra because it will most likely share a lot of components with the M240i.
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i have owned an E36, E39, E60, and F10. like i said before, from my experiences with these cars the motor and tranny is fine. but its the electronic that goes to crap over time. with that said it shouldn't to be too bad for the Supra because it will most likely share a lot of components with the M240i.
I'm loving my M240i so far. Its a beast!
Already put a M Peformance exhaust and Dinan stage 1 tune on it and rocking over 400hp!

It may not be as light as a twin but its small size still keeps it feeling like a cockpit and a scalpel on the road.
It is like a little rocketship
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Has this been posted yet? I can never remember how to embed video on here.

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Has this been posted yet? I can never remember how to embed video on here.

https://youtu.be/yfeUvRm8f6k
Really nothing to it, you just paste in the link, but it can't be the shortened version, needs to be the version that shows in the address bar with youtube.com in the link, not the one you get when you right click and get the "link to this video".


I went to your link above, copied the fully qualified link in the address bar and pasted it below:

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