Thoughts on the Camaro V6 1LE?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ummmm ya. Sort of why I had different generations selected. We can go back to the 11 second gens if you like. The statement was "beat by a Miata" not specific to a new one. and a .1 second quarter mile is hardly a game changer anyway.

I just find it odd to single out that rhetoric and defend the frs for being faster than a car that came out in 2005. The point is that it's stupid to criticize the camaro for being slow.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I just find it odd to single out that rhetoric and defend the frs for being faster than a car that came out in 2005. The point is that it's stupid to criticize the camaro for being slow.

I don't remember criticizing it for being slow.
I think it's stupid to criticize the 86 for being slow. That actually HAS happened in the last two pages.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I just find it odd to single out that rhetoric and defend the frs for being faster than a car that came out in 2005. The point is that it's stupid to criticize the camaro for being slow.

Exactly! The whole picking a choosing what is called faster than something else was my point. The generic term of "Miata" was thrown out there. There are faster ones and slower ones. There are faster and slower Camaros. There are faster and slower versions of every car ever made. It is all just number games and as soon as the numbers work in favour of the Camaro, Twins or whatever people want to discard them as irrelevant.


"The X is slower than the Y and Z"
"But it is faster than the A through W"
"So what, it is slower than the X and Z so it is a slow car"

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

I don't remember criticizing it for being slow.
I think it's stupid to criticize the 86 for being slow. That actually HAS happened in the last two pages.

It's almost as if you aren't the only person that posts on this forum. The 86 is slow but I'm not criticizing it for that.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatoni

It's almost as if you aren't the only person that posts on this forum. The 86 is slow but I'm not criticizing it for that.

It isn't slow. It is just slower than some now.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It isn't slow. It is just slower than some now.

I think it's important to judge things by contemporary standards. It's slower than most sports cars of its era. That doesn't mean I don't think it's one of the best of its era.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatoni

I think it's important to judge things by contemporary standards. It's slower than most sports cars of its era. That doesn't mean I don't think it's one of the best of its era.

Meh. If they made it faster then everybody would just up what they were comparing it against.
It is right in line with the cars of similar price point so saying "most" sports cars is sort of meaningless.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Meh. If they made it faster then everybody would just up what they were comparing it against.
It is right in line with the cars of similar price point so saying "most" sports cars is sort of meaningless.

What sports cars is it faster than?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatoni

What sports cars is it faster than?

Define "sports car".

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Define "sports car".

im personally pretty open to my definition of sports car but i dont think that any definition will make it faster than most. i also dont really see the need for this argument. its quite alright that i think its slow and you dont.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im personally pretty open to my definition of sports car but i dont think that any definition will make it faster than most. i also dont really see the need for this argument. its quite alright that i think its slow and you dont.

I didn't say it was faster than most.
You said most are faster. They are. But there is a very common theme among those that are faster.


https://www.caranddriver.com/best-sports-cars


You can think it is slow all you want but that doesn't make it true.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I didn't say it was faster than most.
You said most are faster. They are. But there is a very common theme among those that are faster.


https://www.caranddriver.com/best-sports-cars


You can think it is slow all you want but that doesn't make it true.

I said it's slow and you said it wasn't but with everything you said in this outside of that point, I totally agree with. I even said I think it's one of the best sports cars out today.

Me thinking it's slow makes it as true as you thinking it's fast does. I don't think fast is the point of these cars or sports cars in general.

[NoHaveMSG]

Come one guys, it's 2018. It is not slow, it is "passing power challenged."

[hpde_addict]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

And yet they were fine for me at VIR lapping at competitive speeds.

Dunlop Direzza Star Spec Z1s were what I used on my S2000 for HPDEs. They were grippier than the MPSS, but neither the Z1/2 is available for the Cayman's stock tire sizes. MPSS are fine at the track - maybe they don't suit your driving style.

I have spoken to a few at the track that have also complained about the soft sidewalls and temperature limit of the PSS. Adjusting to -3/-2 f/r camber helped with the outer shoulders, but the tire overall still looks miserable after track. No such issues with R-S3's. The same sweepers that the MPSS get greasy on, the R-S3 is happy. My driving style is pretty conservative, I never overcook entry and use minimum throttle to turn my car on exit.