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Old 09-27-2016, 10:25 AM   #29
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I am not set up to do any form of actual hands on work on my car anymore but you want too believe I would want to know what that code said before I took it in. I would then take it to the dealer and let them tell me what they find without saying a word. Since I would hate a customer that came in and tried to tell me what the problem is from reading a code I would not do it to them. Then I would know that we are both on the same page or if they are feeding me a line. I have never once had an issue with a service department and like to think that it was because I did my research and knew what was likely the issue but kept my mouth shut and let them do their job.
I guess I fall someplace between the two camps in this debate.
That's exactly what I do. I never said he should NOT take the car to the dealership. I also don't walk in and tell them exactly what the issue is. If anything I say, "My CEL is on, and the parts store guy said it was camshaft related, but I dunno," which simply makes them cognizant of the fact that I'm not 100% clueless as to what the problem is. I have had experiences at several dealerships where they tried to claim issues that were completely nonsensical. The most recent one was my clutch creak issue, which they initially claimed was because my clutch had a hot spot. Only after I asked them some specific questions did they admit their diagnosis made no sense whatsoever.

I definitely don't to people how to do their job. Nobody likes that. I do, however, ensure that I know enough about the problem with my $30,000 investment that I'm not taken for a ride. Why anyone wouldn't want that kind of "insurance" is beyond me.
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That's exactly what I do. I never said he should NOT take the car to the dealership. I also don't walk in and tell them exactly what the issue is. If anything I say, "My CEL is on, and the parts store guy said it was camshaft related, but I dunno," which simply makes them cognizant of the fact that I'm not 100% clueless as to what the problem is. I have had experiences at several dealerships where they tried to claim issues that were completely nonsensical. The most recent one was my clutch creak issue, which they initially claimed was because my clutch had a hot spot. Only after I asked them some specific questions did they admit their diagnosis made no sense whatsoever.

I definitely don't to people how to do their job. Nobody likes that. I do, however, ensure that I know enough about the problem with my $30,000 investment that I'm not taken for a ride. Why anyone wouldn't want that kind of "insurance" is beyond me.

Wasn't implying you did tell them how to do it. Do love the "hot spot" clutch claim though. That is a good one.
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CEL and traction control light came back on again this morning.
Going back to the dealership and ask them to just reflash the ECU.
Welcome to the club, took 2.5 years and 4 or 5 dealer visits (multiple dealers) to fix my gremlin.

KEEP ALL YOUR SERVICE LOGS and call corporate to make them aware of the issue.
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Welcome to the club, took 2.5 years and 4 or 5 dealer visits (multiple dealers) to fix my gremlin.

KEEP ALL YOUR SERVICE LOGS and call corporate to make them aware of the issue.
I just scrapped my Gremlin when it fell apart!




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Old 09-27-2016, 01:29 PM   #33
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Welcome to the club, took 2.5 years and 4 or 5 dealer visits (multiple dealers) to fix my gremlin.

KEEP ALL YOUR SERVICE LOGS and call corporate to make them aware of the issue.
Did you ever figure out what fixed it?
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So I went to autozone and got the code read. No mountain dew
Code P0018
Came to the dealership and they're replacing the cam valve? Also the engine oil. Hopefully this is the solution..
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02-132-12 : DTCs Relating to the AVCS (Active Valve Control System)
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Dealership replaced the Oil Switching Valve and did an oil change. So far so good. We'll see how rest of the week goes.
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Did you ever figure out what fixed it?
There are two Service Bulletins related to your code and issue. The one that Steve linked and one for the cam position (here- http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1375302652 )
Neither one speaks to anything to do with a "cam valve" so the dealer may not have been addressing the real issue.
That is the challenge. Get them to do the repair that their own head office says to do!
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Neither one speaks to anything to do with a "cam valve" so the dealer may not have been addressing the real issue.
That is the challenge. Get them to do the repair that their own head office says to do!
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down there, mister. Do you mean to tell me that he might need to step in and use his own knowledge and research, based on the CEL code he read, to get the proper parts replaced by the dealership? Sounds highly unlikely... dealerships ALWAYS know what they're doing!
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Did you ever figure out what fixed it?
Dealer description:
"Scanned all systems and found that when the passenger side exhaust VVT data was compared to the drivers side VVT exhaust data it was sluggish to respond and would over correct causing the ecm to set the code. After studying the data i determined that the passenger side exhaust oil switching valve (OSV) wasn't operating inside its parameters, removed and replace with the new OSV valve with the new rubber and hard 0-rings."

I think it's my second or third ecu as well, honestly i don't remember.
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So were the ECU replacements just attempts to fix the problem before they discovered the source, or were the ECU replacements for other reasons?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down there, mister. Do you mean to tell me that he might need to step in and use his own knowledge and research, based on the CEL code he read, to get the proper parts replaced by the dealership? Sounds highly unlikely... dealerships ALWAYS know what they're doing!
If you're suggesting the average consumer could ever have access to more information than a dealership technician you're ignorant.
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If you're suggesting the average consumer could ever have access to more information than a dealership technician you're ignorant.
If you're suggesting that dealerships (or any repair shop, for that matter) always employ technicians that know what they are doing, or don't ever try to claim additional/unnecessary repairs in order to make some extra money (especially on warranty claims), you're ignorant. Also, your statement assumes that the technician will do the same amount of research on the problem that you can do on forums such as this one.

Case in point: the very last repair I had done at a dealership. The technician seemed to have no idea what he was saying, as he claimed the faulty part was my clutch, when not only was the clutch perfectly fine, but even if it had been "hot spotted" as he had suggested, it still wouldn't have explained the problems I was having.

Had I don't no research beforehand, I would have probably not known enough about the issue to be able to point that out to them.
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I never said he should NOT take the car to the dealership. .

Really?
Because that is exactly what I read when you posted this:
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Right... or he could get the codes read for free without needing to pay a ridiculously overpriced "diagnostic fee" for someone to plug in a machine and read the screen...
Right after someone suggested that the OP should take it to the dealer.
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Really?
Because that is exactly what I read when you posted this:

Right after someone suggested that the OP should take it to the dealer.
I was recommending that as a first step. I guess I should have clarified. You were suggesting he go to the dealership immediately. I was merely stating it makes more sense to get the code read ahead of time for free, before committing to the more involved dealership experience. If it's something as silly as a loose gas cap, then you avoid all of the trouble. If it's more complicated, at least you walk in there with some basic knowledge of what is wrong.
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Also, your statement assumes that the technician will do the same amount of research on the problem that you can do on forums such as this one.
So now you're saying that a technician who is most likely ASE certified, has years of experience in automotive repair, has factory classroom training, access to every bit of information the manufacturer can give on a vehicle, and regularly communicates with OEM engineers to repair vehicles, can be trumped by any Joe who can manage to log onto an internet forum? Thank you, I needed that this morning.
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