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Old 05-06-2014, 02:14 PM   #71
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Hey guys!

I wrote this in my sales thread on here but figured this may help clear up some issues as to what each part does.

Source for info -- I worked at SSP for 2 years


High Stall Torque Converter:

Allows you to get a higher RPM launch by holding the brake (it's set to 3,100rpm limit) so in general this is great for a launch but even better on forced induction applications. Higher revs = higher boost

that brings me to the next item;



Transmission Cooler:

The more power and higher launch, the higher the internal temps. This badboy from SSP does an amazing job of keeping the temps down. Having a cooler will definitely extend the life of the transmission also.



Valve Body Stage 1:

This is the main hub for the transmission. All the solenoids and valves are located here so for the Stage 1 upgrade, SSP has modified it to have 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears engage very aggressively. There's no "slip" engagement or smooth engagement, it grabs the next gear right away. Gears 4-6 remain as stock engagement.

This means red-line gear changes get right into the next gear, it's a HUGE difference and is very much like a DCT (twin-clutch) transmission. The gear changes are this hard no matter the RPM, so even cruising you get immediate engagement into the next gear.



Valve Body Stage II:

The stage II adds in the aggressive engagement for all gears (includes 4-6 also). So every gear will be instant engagement. This could be a little rough for daily driving but I'm someone that likes precision and no slop, even daily driving so this would be my choice along with the cooler




I hope this sums it up, if you need any further info please let me know. I'm always here to help in any way I can!



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Thanks Jason!

Can you clarify a question on the Stage I and II?

Does it do what it does regardless of the 'Sport' mode selection or if you're in manual or auto mode?
Sport mode speeds up the shifts in the stock tranny (right?), so I'm wondering if this valve body is more aggressive in both modes, or only in Sport mode.


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Old 05-06-2014, 03:55 PM   #74
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Thanks Jason!

Can you clarify a question on the Stage I and II?

Does it do what it does regardless of the 'Sport' mode selection or if you're in manual or auto mode?
Sport mode speeds up the shifts in the stock tranny (right?), so I'm wondering if this valve body is more aggressive in both modes, or only in Sport mode.


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It actually doesn't matter what mode. The valvebody will make the shifts hard ALL the time. That's why stage I is great because the first 3 gears are really sharp and the rest are OEM making the daily drive fine. The Stage II is every gear so no matter what, ever gear engagement is very sharp and snappy.

Personally, I love my car to be snappy and have the gears engage immediately without any hesitation so even for daily, Stage II works for me but to each their own!

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Old 05-06-2014, 04:21 PM   #75
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All we need now is to have a meet so we can test and discuss the various setups.
Dreaming I know.
But I haven't been to Montreal in a while.
Good excuse for a trip.
That is where you are located?


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All we need now is to have a meet so we can test and discuss the various setups.
Dreaming I know.
But I haven't been to Montreal in a while.
Good excuse for a trip.
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We actually don't have out shop FRS yet soon though, if anything SSP in MN probably has someone with their AT done up (might be an easier trip for you).

But I have the full SSP lineup on my EvoX and it's very similar to that type of shifting. The valvebody makes it feel much more like a twin clutch DCT type transmission. It's a really amazing upgrade for these cars with an AT IMO
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This stuff is def on my list. Jason, for the stage II valve body do the gear shifts "feel" violent all the time or does it depend what throttle/rpm/gear you are at when the shift occurs?
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This stuff is def on my list. Jason, for the stage II valve body do the gear shifts "feel" violent all the time or does it depend what throttle/rpm/gear you are at when the shift occurs?
Under lower loads there much harder than OEM but it's a good kind of thing. Under heavier loads it's even more aggressive so redline shifts. I have a couple going out to customers, I'll see if they can take a vid of the shifting for you guys
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Under lower loads there much harder than OEM but it's a good kind of thing. Under heavier loads it's even more aggressive so redline shifts. I have a couple going out to customers, I'll see if they can take a vid of the shifting for you guys

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"The A960E Stage 1 street strip valve body is designed for everyday street driving and weekend trips to the drag strip.

Designed to pull heavily thru 1-4th gears at redline."

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Hey guys!

I wrote this in my sales thread on here but figured this may help clear up some issues as to what each part does.

Source for info -- I worked at SSP for 2 years

Valve Body Stage 1:

This is the main hub for the transmission. All the solenoids and valves are located here so for the Stage 1 upgrade, SSP has modified it to have 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears engage very aggressively. There's no "slip" engagement or smooth engagement, it grabs the next gear right away. Gears 4-6 remain as stock engagement.

This means red-line gear changes get right into the next gear, it's a HUGE difference and is very much like a DCT (twin-clutch) transmission. The gear changes are this hard no matter the RPM, so even cruising you get immediate engagement into the next gear.


Cheers,
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Is it 1 through 3 or 1 through 4?
1-4 makes the most sense since 5 & 6 are stretched out highway gears (I think they are both overdrive).
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Any chance of a valve body .5 that speeds up/ firms up the 1-4 shifts without being neck snapping? When I'm driving on winding roads or maneuvering in light traffic, I frequently wish the car shifted faster in response to the paddles or the shift lever, but don't want it to be dragster harsh.
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So do we send the core to you, SSP revalves it and sends it back? how long will the down time be?


Does this decrease the longevity of the tranny? Any adverse effects or other parts we need to reinforce?
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@mid_life_crisis Just to clarify, it's not brutal neck snapping type shifts, there's just no slop and gears engage like a proper sports car should ie. you can chirp the tires in an AT at full redline

If you're in traffic and have to do lower speed cruising, I suggest driving in manual mode to control the gears yourself so they don't switch in and out. You can cruise in 2nd type of thing and roll.

@BRZPDX How it works for the core, we are offering introductory pricing on this and SSP is running all their line through us on here You send your core directly to them and they'll send it back (or you can buy a new core directly from them and keep yours as a spare).


Here's pricing on everything (please don't delete this post -- people are asking for the info I'm not pushing sales):


Stage 1 Valvebody Upgrade
(no core being sent in, new OEM core included)

MSRP -- $1,249.00
DSG Introductory Price -- $1,194.99



Stage 1 Valvebody Upgrade
(core being sent in -- shipping cost of core at customers expense)

MSRP -- $699.00
DSG Introductory Price -- $644.99



Stage 2 Valvebody Upgrade
(core being sent in -- shipping cost of core at customers expense)

MSRP -- $1,349.00
DSG Introductory Price -- $1,294.99



Stage 2 Valvebody Upgrade
(core being sent in -- shipping cost of core at customers expense)

MSRP -- $799.00
DSG Introductory Price -- $744.99
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awesome info man, thank you. How long does it take to revalve/shipping it back? Should I expect about a 2week downtime on my car?

Also how would the DDability be affected so much for stage2 if it is just an added aggressive shift change from 4 to 6? Won't the 1 to 4 more commonly used during DD? Once its slapped in 5th or 6th, you don't shift gears too often..
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