What do you foresee for future FR-S models?

[Liquidsnake]

2014 2015?

As far as options.

[Books]

For stock, I hope it stays the same with the exception of fixing the little bugs (crickets, water, CEL, etc.). No need to add more weight to the base car.

I would like to see more options available ie fog lights, HIDs, leather, etc.

IMO no need for more power with the exception of making it an option (To keep the price point). The car is (arguably) fast enough as it is. Those serious enough will be doing their own upgrades anyways.

And anyways, I already got one. Whatever Toyota decides will just make me more jealous

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Books

IMO no need for more power with the exception of making it an option (To keep the price point). The car is (arguably) fast enough as it is. Those serious enough will be doing their own upgrades anyways.

And anyways, I already got one. Whatever Toyota decides will just make me more jealous

I don't know why people always say this. It's as if they think voiding a factory warranty is no big deal. People that want more power might always still want that factory warranty.

[Books]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I don't know why people always say this. It's as if they think voiding a factory warranty is no big deal. People that want more power might always still want that factory warranty.

The issue is that Toyota must balance longevity and power. Can they release the car with more power? Of course. But doing so can decrease the engine life and in turn also increase more potential under-warranty repairs. It is a risk analysis and only Toyota knows all that data. Keeping the price down and the horsepower numbers conservative is a happy balance for everyone.

Note that I am fine with it as an option, just not standard.

[mrlewistan]

foglights for sure. Probably will have brake packages and exhaust packages availible like most of the scion line up. maybe a few years down the road HID will be a dealer option too because of their growing popularity

[Umairk89]

How about a stock turbo?? HId lights fog lights better speakers and headunit. More storage space. Just a few of the top of my head

[FRSfan111]

Originally Posted by Umairk89

How about a stock turbo?? HId lights fog lights better speakers and headunit. More storage space. Just a few of the top of my head

That's a wish list, not what any1 really expects besides head unit lol.
Although we all wish toyota would do FI!

[Umairk89]

Originally Posted by FRSfan111

That's a wish list, not what any1 really expects besides head unit lol.
Although we all wish toyota would do FI!

It does kinda sound like a wish list but turbos are not that much of a big deal these days. It can happen just not sure when.. as for the headunit they have to do something when I bought my new frs the sound was horrible and speakers are OK.. I upgraded headunit and it sounds much better with the stock amp and door speakers off

[chickdigger802]

fr-s? Not much. it's still a scion, so 1 trim 4 life. Ditch the stand audio box for something better (which they are doing this year). Replace speedo with some other gauges of more use.

A sun roof? Idk... Maybe redesign the backseats in someway to make them more usable without affecting anything else?

[2Brnt2BRZ]

How about a Flex Fuel E85 Ethanol option?

[Liquidsnake]

Do you think they can squeeze anymore HP out of this engine?

My lease is up May 2015. I was hoping to get another FR-S.......one that had

1) Leather seats.
2) A body Kit
3) 235 HP?

I might buy my next one. The reason I leased was I was expecting the year 3 or 4 car to be kind of different than year one.

[Shim]

Wish list:
1. Mr. Fusion
2. hover conversion
3. fog lights (safety feature)
4. E85 flex fuel (power)
5. supercharger (power)
6. Electrochromic tint (cool/cool)
7. Side markers to blink with headlights, just like JDM (safety feature)

[Re_Invention]

Originally Posted by Umairk89

It does kinda sound like a wish list but turbos are not that much of a big deal these days. It can happen just not sure when.. as for the headunit they have to do something when I bought my new frs the sound was horrible and speakers are OK.. I upgraded headunit and it sounds much better with the stock amp and door speakers off

Creating an FI version is an expensive endeavor, maybe some industry insiders can give some hard numbers but I'd venture to say the r&d/regulation/separate testing of the kit may not provide a significant enough return of investment for a what may be a relatively small pool of buyers. You're already pandering to small audience with a $25k driver focused eco car; making it $30k with a turbo is an even smaller demographic. Plus Subaru runs the problem of cannibalizing sales due to the new WRX which would cost less and offer AWD. It isn't like an aftermarket kit to just bolt on the turbo with a tune and go; crash safety standards need to be met, *engine longevity, hot/cold temperatures, abuse, supplier contracts, etc. Not to mention the allure of the green culture; KERS style super capacitors helping meet better CAFE standards et al.

Do I want them to offer FI? Sure! But I want them even more to focus on creating the best Toyobaru as simply as possible and get the most out of their investment into it. After they've done that, they should go nuts! :happy0180:

Originally Posted by Books

The issue is that Toyota must balance longevity and power. Can they release the car with more power? Of course. But doing so can decrease the engine life and in turn also increase more potential under-warranty repairs. It is a risk analysis and only Toyota knows all that data. Keeping the price down and the horsepower numbers conservative is a happy balance for everyone.

Note that I am fine with it as an option, just not standard.

Piggybacking off my point above - I do believe Toyota can turn out a 230 hp version of this engine without seeing drastic decrease in longevity. There are folks here that have cracked the 200whp (~240 crank hp) mark with breathing mods and a tune alone. And to no offense to any of the fantastic tuners; Toyota has WAAAAAAAAAAY more resources at their disposal to create a bulletproof package*. I won't bring up hp/liter argument because I acknowledge it's case by case but without a doubt the current 200 hp is a rightfully conservative mark. Now, offering two output versions is rare (although VW is doing with the GTI in Europe but doesn't look that'll be the case here in the States) because of some points mentioned above. It doesn't make sense to go through all the testing twice. With that said, extra power doesn't hurt - I could see incremental (10hp) bumps every 2 years.

Originally Posted by mrlewistan

foglights for sure. Probably will have brake packages and exhaust packages availible like most of the scion line up. maybe a few years down the road HID will be a dealer option too because of their growing popularity

And this is what I really like and hope takes off more [springs, struts, brakes, bars, etc.]. I don't mind paying more of the cost to get the car Toyota can build. Should they offer this from the get-go? Yeah, probably. But it's a business to make a profit and I get that. I'm strangely attracted to the idea of building up an all TRD'd out FR-S!

I can't help but wonder if the Toyobaru will suffer the same fate as the Mazdaspeed Miata. Folks will clamor for a factory FI version for years, Toyota will go against their judgement & cave in and build it, and then it's met with ho-hum results only to be axed 2 years later. I doubt this will be the case but who knows.

[Saber_TRD]

I see Scion folding back into Toyota, making the FR-S become the Toyota GT-86 and the introduction of the trim levels and options for future models.

Well, in my dreams anyway. Toyota would probably axe the car altogether when Scion folds, with our luck.