2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia (pronounced "Julia")

[Levi]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Yeah. Just googled. Ima stoopid.

Back on topic - I also like the front end. Engine layout? Nope.

What is wrong with it? It is probably the best balanced sedan on the market, since the last generation Quattroporte, and appears to be the only mid-front engine sedan.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Levi

What is wrong with it? It is probably the best balanced sedan on the market, since the last generation Quattroporte, and appears to be the only mid-front engine sedan.

My bad. Poorly expressed. I meant in terms of how busy it is. Layout with thought to serviceability is big to me. I've been spoiled by all my previous cars and the 86 is right up there.

(Yeah, yeah... the spark plugs, but they'll last forever.)

It also looks like they let loose with a black rattle can. It's still a rat's nest but now I can't see what's what. Just nitpicking.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Levi

What is wrong with it? It is probably the best balanced sedan on the market, since the last generation Quattroporte, and appears to be the only mid-front engine sedan.

Remarkable how far back the Guilia's engine is set in its' bay in that pic.


@Ultramaroon
Yes it's a little busy, but not more so than many other twin turbochrged V6. That's a lot of hardware and plumbing that's gotta be squeezed in there.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Remarkable how far back the Guilia's engine is set in its' bay in that pic.


@Ultramaroon
Yes it's a little busy, but not more so than many other twin turbochrged V6. That's a lot of hardware and plumbing that's gotta be squeezed in there.

I hear ya. Just my gut reaction seeing that mess. <shudder>

Can't really see the size of the foot well in that interior pic but I bet it's cozy.

[drewbot]

Immediately thought of this song:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNH5dZAJnFw"]Giulia DJ LHASA lyric (Learn italian singing) - YouTube[/ame]

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Levi

What is wrong with it? It is probably the best balanced sedan on the market, since the last generation Quattroporte, and appears to be the only mid-front engine sedan.

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Remarkable how far back the Guilia's engine is set in its' bay in that pic.


@Ultramaroon
Yes it's a little busy, but not more so than many other twin turbochrged V6. That's a lot of hardware and plumbing that's gotta be squeezed in there.

These guys hit it on the money. Where that engine is positioned might as well be art, FMR's are a blast. The balance, stability, lack of understeer, etc... are what knowingly (or unknowingly) attracted most of us to the twins. Personally, it's one of my favorite layouts next to RMR cars. I want to drive this thing. Badly.

[RandomDeception]

Thank goodness most provinces in Canada require a front license plate so that ugly triangular grille can be covered up.

[jdmblood]

its already been proven that the atsv and c63 have caught up and most likely surpassed the m3 but how will the giulia stack up against the v and amg?

sadly Lexus is really behind...

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by jdmblood

its already been proven that the atsv and c63 have caught up and most likely surpassed the m3 but how will the giulia stack up against the v and amg?

sadly Lexus is really behind...

At the ring, Giulia dominates those cars too.

7:39.0 - 2017 Giulia QF 503/ 442 - 3350 lbs - 6.61 lbs/hp

AMG C63
8:01.x - AMG C63 - 2011 - 469/479 - 3850 lbs - 8.28 lbs/hp
7:46.x - AMG C63 Black 2012 - 510/457 - 3700 lbs - 7.25 lbs/hp
http://gtspirit.com/2011/12/21/merce...gring-in-7-46/

It's uncertain whether the new C63 will improve on the previous 7:46 with just power. It will need to go on a diet. Keep in mind the C63 Black comes from the factory with extreme weight reduction measures like a rear seat delete (to save 70lbs).

ATS-V
Cadilliac wasn't able to record hot lap times at the ring due to rain for their 2 days reserved session. For reference, in 2009 CTS-V set the track record for a sedan:

7:59.x - Caddy CTS-V - 556 / 551 - 4,222 lbs - 7.59 lbs/hp
x:xx.x - Caddy ATS-V 464 445 - 3800 lbs - 8.18 lbs/hp

The ATS-V will likely not get to hot lap the ring until 2016. The new track safety updates will be installed by then (specifically smoothing of the pavement in key areas where traction was lost). Who knows if overall lap times before/after the updates will be comparable anymore. Looking purely at power to weight vs the CTS-V it's doubtful that the ATS-V would be faster round the ring than it's bigger brother.

The M3 BtW is 3608 lbs with 425 / 406

Granted, some of these were older models that set their "official" lap times, so I went and found the most up to date specs I could (quickly) with tests behind them.

2015 BMW M3 - 8.5 lbs/hp
2015 Cadillac ATS-V - 8.2 lbs/hp
2015 MBenz C63 S - 7.8 lbs/hp
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia QF - 6.6 lbs/hp

So the answer comes down to power to weight. The Alfa adds lightness and just like Colin Chapman says, is faster everywhere because of it.

[kanundrum]

So This is a great place to ponder my future plans:


Option 1: Make FRS into a track car and buy a nice comfy daily (A Daily I have been in love with for a long time and would love to buy). Would buy daily in a few weeks or so.

Option 2: Keep FRS as is and wait 1 to 1.5 years until this car comes out (Giulia) and buy that and have that as my family fun car as well as all around daily.


The reason why I want a track car is because I want to have something dedicated in forcing me to get better at driving. When I say track I would only gut the interior and add a cage (everything else stays put).

The reason why I want the Giulia is obvious.

I am leaning towards option 2 even though It would go against what I initially wanted to do this car is way to awesome to ignore.

Thoughts?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by kanundrum

Thoughts?

If I understand both options clearly, have both, you don't need to gut and cage an 86 or dump a bunch of money into it to track it and improve your skills. Enjoy the 86 as is and see how you feel in 2 years.

[kanundrum]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

If I understand both options clearly, have both, you don't need to gut and cage an 86 or dump a bunch of money into it to track it and improve your skills. Enjoy the 86 as is and see how you feel in 2 years.

I am practically convinced I will not go full throttle on the FRS and just daily it for another year until the alfa comes out.

[mike@vossen]

Beautiful looking sedan...

[vh_supra26]

Building a halo sports sedan is important, but the actual battle is fought between lesser models on the sales front and not on the track; that said, this is how the Giulia QV’s “normal” variants look like.

The more affordable versions of the Giulia were bound to be revealed at Geneva, after Alfa Romeo thoroughly showcased every square inch of the high-performance compact executive saloon car.

Created to give its German rivals a very hard time (especially the 3 Series BMW), the Giulia will sport an entry-level 2.0-litre petrol engine, which will be available in a wide range of power options (180hp, 250hp and 330 hp), and a 2.2-litre diesel engine offered in 135hp, 180hp and a range-topping 210hp version.

Sergio Marchionne confirmed the new car will enter production in March 15th, after the initial plan was postponed by a few months.

On the styling front, the Giulia comes without the additional aggressive styling cues that offered drama to the QV. Also, the obvious hints that pointed to the aforementioned vehicle’s raw power under the hood have been replaced with normal-looking elements. No more vented hood, no more humongous wheels, and definitely no more aggressive rear diffuser flanked by quad exhaust pipes.

But that doesn’t have to be bad news, as some might be quite fond of the model’s pure, unspoiled looks.

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/02/bas...s-just-as.html