Eneos 0w20

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That sucks. I don't doubt it, though.


I registered there shortly after seeing your thread, just in case it was a private forum. After 6 attempts at guessing the captcha, the security question was, "what's the square root of 12?". Ok, you wanna ask a slightly harder question, fine, but make it the square root of 9 or 25, not an answer that requires most to use a calculator. In any event, after all that, the answer I gave (3.46) was "incorrect"?! Did they want 8 places past the decimal, or what?!

Anyway, I finally got a successful reg. and 8 hours later it's DENIED. The email said, "location?". Whatever!

Well, thankfully the oil is ok. I thought you were gonna say it was made from deer pee and virgin's blood or something.*

[Laika]

If that's seriously their security question they must really not want new members.

Unless I end up having a lot of data, I'm just gonna post stuff here.

Is there anything you guys are interested in specifically? I have ecutek and can pull all ECU readings and as I said before, I should have an oil pressure gauge once I can figure out a very stealth install.

I'm thinking about just going 4k on the current fill and then send a sample to Blackstone for their opinion on it. I think the most I'll increase my OCI to is 7500 miles unless its still looking really good there. I keep 100mL retain samples of all the oil I pull for no legitimate reason at all but just in case Blackstone loses a sample or any other unforeseen circumstance.

For those that don't know, the highlight of sustina is its high viscosity index. Basically it retains the same viscosity over a wider range of temperatures than your typical 0w20. This is mostly better for cold starts and improved fuel economy when the engines not at operating temp. Not that we should really be concerned with fuel economy difference to an oil but someone might be interested in the negligible difference

[bluesubie]

I think if you can get a good trend with uoa's it's something very helpful. So many people judge an oil based on one or two uoa's (although it's not entirely accurate to try to judge an oil on many uoa's). Detailed OP readings would be useful as well. It will also be helpful to include TBN to see if the oil is still maintaining good cleaning ability for the entire interval. Blackstone's basic uoa is a bit lacking, IMHO, and Oil Analyzers Inc. gives a better bang for the buck. They include TBN, oxidation, and nitration all cheaper than Blackstone's basic uoa.

As to bitog, consider yourself in good company. One of the top tribolgists in the country was kicked off of the site for the same reason even though he had nothing to gain from talking up another brand based on data. He also spoke his mind about all oils, regardless if they were a sponsor or not.

Actually, if you want the ultimate uoa, his are really the way to go. Blackstone and OAI is for entertainment purposes only.

-Dennis

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Damn, he's pricey! Sure it's well worth it, but that's not a price I'd want to pay every 3-5K miles.

Laika, I'd say just post everything you can. It seems that Eneos, compared to many others, anyway, gets a lot less exposure. Truthfully, while what I've read about Sustina sounds/looks great, there really aren't that many examples out there. I'm not even sure what it is, (besides the high number of trimmer type moly and VI) that's drawing me to using it!

[Laika]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

I think if you can get a good trend with uoa's it's something very helpful. So many people judge an oil based on one or two uoa's (although it's not entirely accurate to try to judge an oil on many uoa's). Detailed OP readings would be useful as well. It will also be helpful to include TBN to see if the oil is still maintaining good cleaning ability for the entire interval. Blackstone's basic uoa is a bit lacking, IMHO, and Oil Analyzers Inc. gives a better bang for the buck. They include TBN, oxidation, and nitration all cheaper than Blackstone's basic uoa.

As to bitog, consider yourself in good company. One of the top tribolgists in the country was kicked off of the site for the same reason even though he had nothing to gain from talking up another brand based on data. He also spoke his mind about all oils, regardless if they were a sponsor or not.

Actually, if you want the ultimate uoa, his are really the way to go. Blackstone and OAI is for entertainment purposes only.

-Dennis

Fantastic! As promising as Dyson looks, I think for repeated testing, OAI might be a good option due to price. I'm going to research this some more before I say OAI for sure. I'll probably do about 4-5 consecutive UOA's. I do see what you mean by "entertainment purposes only". I can send out a microbial sample at work and it takes almost no effort for the contract lab to do it yet we'll pay as much as $80 for one sample. Blackstone or anyone offering a REAL oil analysis for sub $30 is not realistic.

Alternatively, I'm going to see if I can do anything worthwhile in my own lab but I'm pretty swamped right now.

[bluesubie]

Be sure to do a virgin uoa as well since additive levels, viscosity, etc. can vary with different reports. If you want to go all out and see if the viscosity varies over the interval you can do several uoa's during the interval using an oil pump (Blackstone and OAI both sell them).

Over on the Outback forum , a guy had a Blackstone uoa done on Rotella T6 and the ZDDP levels came back very low. I suggested that he email Blackstone and they re-tested the same oil and all additive levels came back 10-20% higher. They said it was a calibration problem.

-Dennis

[Laika]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

Be sure to do a virgin uoa as well since additive levels, viscosity, etc. can vary with different reports. If you want to go all out and see if the viscosity varies over the interval you can do several uoa's during the interval using an oil pump (Blackstone and OAI both sell them).

Over on the Outback forum , a guy had a Blackstone uoa done on Rotella T6 and the ZDDP levels came back very low. I suggested that he email Blackstone and they re-tested the same oil and all additive levels came back 10-20% higher. They said it was a calibration problem.

-Dennis

I was going to do a VOA for each lot number (My current 24 quarts are from the same lot but who knows how their sublots work but I digress).

That's really a shame about that rotella sample. Like I said in the last post, a real oil analysis for $25 is far too good to be true. I'd probably spend nearly that much in consumables just running a few tests to prevent contamination.

Just a disclaimer: If you're a normal, reasonable person, STOP reading this thread. You will waste your time in search of "better" oil that may be a figment of another man's imagination. It's pretty much all the same.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by Laika

Just a disclaimer: If you're a normal, reasonable person, STOP reading this thread. You will waste your time in search of "better" oil that may be a figment of another man's imagination. It's pretty much all the same.

+1

-Dennis