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02-18-2020, 03:32 PM | #141 |
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^^smog from leaded fuel and lack of catalytic converters has nothing to do with the CO2 boogie man. That's a completely different (and valid) argument.
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It kinda has everything to do with it.
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Um, human health (toxic emissions) and CO2 emissions are opposing goals. If cars could run super high compression ratio lean burn with no cats and stratified injection pumping out soot and NOx like diesel trucks, CO2 would be WAY down.
Likewise, if you were allowed to run leaded gasoline, you could also make more efficient engines. CO2 emissions and greenhouse effect are also not exactly the same thing as you mentioned earlier in the thread. We produce a lot more natural gas in this country now, which reduces CO2 emissions from power plants...but some estimates say methane leakage is cancelling out the GHG reduction. It's not that hard, there are different types of chemicals humans emit into the air, and they are...different. |
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02-19-2020, 09:59 AM | #145 |
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They are all part of the overall environmental puzzle and can not be separated out as irrelevant even in the C02 discussion. The reduction of smog was an obvious first step to addressing the whole picture.
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In 20 yrs the planet will be so hot that it will function as it's own catalytic converter lol
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Won't bother me. I will either be dead or senile.
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No because they cause entirely different atmospheric interactions. One was a pollutant/toxin by its very definition. Another is an excess (in some peoples' view) of a gas necessary for life on this planet to exist. Would you also lump particulate matter into that grouping as well? And your own exhalations and bowel movements? Since you exhale CO2 as a function of living, and methane from...well, you know
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Glad you see it that way, because by itself CO2 does almost nothing beyond 2 degrees temp change.
So now we can move on to real problems.
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Thank God buggy manufacturers and horse ranches didn't have online forums when internal combustion began to take off.
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I think manufacturers want to move away from the complexities of ice (number of moving parts, plating, heat treating etc). I don't think it's all climate motivated. It does make for a nice virtue signal though.
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