FA20clubs handy work WARNING EXTREAM LAZINESS INSIDE

[Ocho Seis]

Lol wow .....

[utekineir]

[Sportsguy83]

^ LOL!

While its all funny, this is what will get this thread closed. Let's keep it civil and let the thread stay alive

[Frs300]

Please dont get it closed

[mrk1]

If you ever go to pick up your car after spending money on it and that what it looks like, Don't Leave the shop. Its that simple. Go back in and tell them your not happy.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by mrk1

If you ever go to pick up your car after spending money on it and that what it looks like, Don't Leave the shop. Its that simple. Go back in with a shotgun and let them know your not happy.

fixed that for ya...

[mrk1]

fair enough

[TRD_07]

Que hijo de puta.

[Pitman]

The sad thing is, @Frs300 had to get his car trailered back to him, so he did not have a chance to see it before it was returned to him

As has been said before, Brandon has the patience of a saint in waiting for the time he has to be able to get his car back, and to see the condition that it has been returned to him, after 'Toni' implied before he was banned that the car was finished and good to go is disgusting.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=54

[Frs300]

Originally Posted by Pitman

The sad thing is, @Frs300 had to get his car trailered back to him, so he did not have a chance to see it before it was returned to him

As has been said before, brandon has the patience of a saint in waiting for the time he has to be able to get his car back, and to see the condition that it has been returned to him, after 'Toni' implied before he was banned that the car was finished and good to go is disgusting.

Well Toni took the return system out and the bigger pump and also put a map on it just so it would run and get on the truck. But he never said anything to me. He said all this to someone else. He said i didnt pay for the return system or a tune. Hes right about the return stystem he did that on his own but there was no reason to screw with the tune other than to be a ****.


To him its all about money not customers because he said he couldnt help make it right because his business was ruined somewhat and hes banned from here so making my situation right wouldnt help him at all.

[AVodka14]

@Frs300. I hate to see your car end up that way. I was keeping up with your progress. I thought that FA20CLUB was doing good work at the genesis of their turbo builds. I saw where the dark blue FRS has his car sponsored by TR3 performance. Wonder if he could chime in here. All I can say is that you better get back to you what you deserve. And I hope FA20CLUB gets what they deserve. I will NEVER buy anything from them.

[robwbright]

Originally Posted by chiefshayan

SO how much HP to the rear wheels!?!

In all seriousness, I'm currently in law school and might have some information you may seek if you do decide to take action. Reading through the threads about your car, it maybe difficult to make a case, but I can easily see a refunding of the money you spent on labor and parts at the bare minimum.

Required disclaimer. None of the following should be construed to be legal advice to anyone involved in the matter. I am licensed to practice in Ohio and W.V. I do not have knowledge of the laws of any other states and I am not advising any course of action, but merely providing information.

chiefshayan:

It would be wise to be very careful about providing legal advice - especially before you get your license.

That said, if the state he's located in has laws similar to Ohio, it likely won't be difficult to make a case based on Consumer Sales Practices violations. Unfair/deceptive/unconscionable acts or practices. Triple damages and attorney fees in both states I practice in. His mileage may vary depending on state law. Ohio's statutes on consumer sales violations are here:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/1345.02

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/1345.03

And these are key for motor vehicle repairs. Both of them helped settle a case I had (personally) awhile back - the specific requirements upon the mechanic/shop:

http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/109%3A4-3-13

http://codes.ohio.gov/oac/109:4-3-09

You will notice that the statutes are quite specific about what shops are required to do. I expect that most shops are committing multiple violations every day without even realizing it.

[DJCarbine]

Originally Posted by Frs300

Well Toni took the return system out and the bigger pump and also put a map on it just so it would run and get on the truck. But he never said anything to me. He said all this to someone else. He said i didnt pay for the return system or a tune. Hes right about the return stystem he did that on his own but there was no reason to screw with the tune other than to be a ****.


To him its all about money not customers because he said he couldnt help make it right because his business was ruined somewhat and hes banned from here so making my situation right wouldnt help him at all.

After I talked poorly about Toni on the forums, he sent me an email.
I thought he was going to try to make things right, or be angry etc...

Attached in the email was a tune file and "Give this one a try"

My original issue was that I got a wrong tune from him (after much delay and missed deadlines, only part of my issue) and the car would not run properly (barely at all). The tune I got out of the blue after my rant was the wrong tune meant for someone else. Basically screwed up again when I was already done dealing with his crap.... and got more crap randomly.

If its not going to make him more money, I doubt he will help you.

I'm pretty sure he took good care of lexus or whatever that guys name is so that he could lure others in with the promise of quality and competence

[robwbright]

In Ohio, I don't believe the return of the car and/or accepting it back would really have any significant impact on the legal side of things... as long as you can prove prior condition vs. condition after the work and the various other violations.

As to criminal charges, consider the possible conundrum. A contact to the prosecutor could be useful... but (1) if people go to jail, they really have difficulty making money to pay a judgment (of course, if they own property, then action can eventually be taken to force sale); (2) I suspect that most prosecutors would view this as a civil matter - even if there were technically criminal violations, it can be difficult to get prosecutors interested in cases like this. YMMV

A call to the attorney general's consumer protection division could be useful in some instances.

You wouldn't believe the situation I was recently involved in where criminal charges never got filed... Buyers paid nearly $400k to seller for used tractor trailers. Bill of sale signed by both parties. Titles signed and handed over (but several of them incorrectly signed with company name instead of seller's name). DMV wouldn't title because of the incorrect signatures, but DMV went ahead and issued temp tags and registrations to buyers - full tags and titles pending re-signature of titles. Buyers put trucks in service in another state and took titles back to seller for resignature. Seller said he'd sign and overnight back (big mistake leaving titles with him). Seller never returned the titles.

3 weeks later, Seller brings 6 drivers with him to site 5 hours away where investors have trucks in operation on temp tags. Seller and drivers take 7 trucks back to his yard.

I contacted FBI (crossing state lines), state, county and local law enforcement as well as prosecutor. No one was interested in filing criminal charges because seller still technically had titles in his name.

Civil suit filed and eventually settled... but settled for only about half of the equipment purchased - turns out that even though the seller signed the bill of sale ensuring that there were no liens on the trucks, the IRS had liens on ALL of seller's property... thus, the trucks buyers ended up getting could be taken by the IRS at any time.

It was the weirdest legal case I've ever come across. Were crimes committed? Almost certainly. But the weird facts made crimes more difficult to prove than prosecutors want to deal with (remember, they're on a salary and don't get paid extra for working difficult cases). Further, with a very large amount of undisclosed IRS liens, recovery of anything was a total crapshoot as far as whether it can ever be used... and the seller is unrecoverable because of the liens and his large amount of debt.