Pedders Top Hat w/ Camber & Caster Offset - Anyone with experience? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Jamestl · 11-15-2018, 03:57 PM

I came across the product below randomly and contacted them about the amount of camber this can add (ceteris paribus) and they said it was about 0.75. In addition they say the mount is designed to be stiffer than stock. Has anyone had experience with these? Curious as to any product feedback as I couldn't find anything, for our platform or the WRX...

https://pedders.com/collections/all/...-camber-caster

FirstWinter · 11-15-2018, 04:03 PM

I would just go with camber bolts. A much more affordable and simple (regarding install) solution.

Jamestl · 11-15-2018, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstWinter

I would just go with camber bolts. A much more affordable and simple (regarding install) solution.

Agreed if you're going from zero to 2.x. But if you're trying to land in the 3.x range, camber bolts along ain't gonna do it.

wparsons · 11-15-2018, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamestl

Agreed if you're going from zero to 2.x. But if you're trying to land in the 3.x range, camber bolts along ain't gonna do it.

Depends on the bolts used, and shocks. On my KW V3's, with SPC lobed bolts in the lower holes and the stock lower bolts in the upper holes I hit -3.8* maxed out (dialed back to -3.2* using the bottom bolts). The KW upper holes are slotted, but I don't know how much the slotting gives alone. I would think you would be in the 2.75* range with the bolt combination I have and non-slotted struts.

Camber added at the knuckle is more favorable from a geometry perspective as well.

Leonardo · 11-15-2018, 04:55 PM

This is with 2 set of camber bolts. I believe its -3 or more... Only other suspension mod is 1" drop springs. (in this pic)

FirstWinter · 11-15-2018, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo

This is with 2 set of camber bolts. I believe its -3 or more... Only other suspension mod is 1" drop springs. (in this pic)

Lowering helps tremendously. Otherwise with the camber bolts alone you won't be able to achieve that much from my experience.

Leonardo · 11-15-2018, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstWinter

Lowering helps tremendously. Otherwise with the camber bolts alone you won't be able to achieve that much from my experience.

Um, You don't get camber in the front from lowering, only in the rear.

With Eibach Pro Kit springs I got -1.8 and -2.2 of natural camber in the rear.

I was able to achieve the amount above with 4 camber bolts. I only drove 50 miles with the setup above, did not get an alignment, so don't have hard numbers of what the camber is...

Now, I'm just running one set in the bottom hole, with the lower bolt in the upper hole on me new FA500 coils w/top hats.

Jamestl · 11-15-2018, 06:11 PM

Using both top and bottom holes I maxed out at 2.7 on stock dampers. With B8 and Tarmac springs I got to 3.1. However, I'm still wearing the outside of my tires by a decent amount (varying pressures at the track). One solution is obv to get camber plates, but those aren't cheap and may be more than I need. Another solution is to swap tires, but it's 20 bucks a tire and it can add up over time. I'm reasonably happy with the suspension set up for now, so don't plan on swapping for coilovers.

I've never seen these before so just trying to figure out if anyone has real experience.

wparsons · 11-15-2018, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo

Um, You don't get camber in the front from lowering, only in the rear.

This ^^

At about 1.25" lower I actually lost camber under compression. When the car was on the alignment rack I'd lose about 0.1 to 0.2 degrees at the left front wheel when is sat down in the car compared to without my weight in the car. Yay mac struts

Definitely need roll center adjusters for next year.

Leonardo · 11-15-2018, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons

This ^^

Definitely need roll center adjusters for next year.

I just installed a roll center kit. It made the car feel "new" again. I would suggest installing one. I got the Whiteline kit.

FirstWinter · 11-16-2018, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo

Um, You don't get camber in the front from lowering, only in the rear.

How did I forget that

brain fart

Jamestl · 11-16-2018, 09:59 AM

So... any experience with the top hats anyone?

ZionsWrath · 11-16-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamestl

So... any experience with the top hats anyone?

It's probably fine and it's cheap. If you do your own labor.

Would be a nice purchase tonhave fun with your car and provide some feedback to the community.

Summerwolf · 11-16-2018, 10:45 AM

If it were me.... I would go with a quality adjustable piece over an offset mount.

I dont know if pedders as a company has improved overall, but they had a very rough patch for a while, bankrupt in the USA, and just look into the rebadging / markup controversy.

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FirstWinter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Drives: Car Location: Location Posts: 646 Thanks: 374 Thanked 422 Times in 254 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would just go with camber bolts. A much more affordable and simple (regarding install) solution.

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Jamestl Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Drives: None Location: Chicago Posts: 267 Thanks: 26 Thanked 62 Times in 49 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Using both top and bottom holes I maxed out at 2.7 on stock dampers. With B8 and Tarmac springs I got to 3.1. However, I'm still wearing the outside of my tires by a decent amount (varying pressures at the track). One solution is obv to get camber plates, but those aren't cheap and may be more than I need. Another solution is to swap tires, but it's 20 bucks a tire and it can add up over time. I'm reasonably happy with the suspension set up for now, so don't plan on swapping for coilovers. I've never seen these before so just trying to figure out if anyone has real experience.

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Jamestl Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Drives: None Location: Chicago Posts: 267 Thanks: 26 Thanked 62 Times in 49 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So... any experience with the top hats anyone?

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Summerwolf Panda Trueno Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: No twin now. Location: North Indiana Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 2,113 Thanked 2,407 Times in 1,332 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	If it were me.... I would go with a quality adjustable piece over an offset mount. I dont know if pedders as a company has improved overall, but they had a very rough patch for a while, bankrupt in the USA, and just look into the rebadging / markup controversy.

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