Bang for the buck - upgrades

[jadewbj]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

Umm, the stock kit brings your car up to 290. If it added 290 you would be at 450 hp. It actually adds about 130.

5k for the turbo, 750 installed by don and 1200 for the ecutek FI tune = 6950 otd.

6950/130 = 53$ per hp like I posted.

My bad, got ahead of myself and grabbed the wrong number. Thanks for pointing that out.

Either way it is still about 1/2 the PPWHP for turbo as opposed to NA MODS.

AP Turbo is 130WHP gain for $5745 or $44 per HP.

NA guess is $4,000 for a full load of bolt ons would be lucky to net a 50WHP gain or $80 per WHP.

[ultra]

Originally Posted by neutron256

Have you tried a lightweight pully? I think it makes a huge difference. It helps a lot with getting rid of the torque dip.

I might do...but I'd do it for better feel and not with the expectation of gaining HP.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

You need to add to AP's turbo the tune which is needed so add about 1200.

Originally Posted by jadewbj

What do you mean add AP's Turbo to the tune? Did you mean add the tune to AP's turbo? I think the lower 100 WHP was for the kit as he is selling it without the tune.

I said in my original post Add TO Don's Turbo the tune. He is only selling one kit. There is no "basic kit" and another kit. The 215 HP was the first day they Dynoed at 4 psi, nothing else. the second day they Dynoed they dialed boost to 8-9 psi, they got to 290 HP and that is the kit. His kit NEEDS a tune from ECUTek, but its not included in the 5K price, it is extra.

[jadewbj]

What I am holding out for is the new FA20 WRX motor that is coming out in the next generation WRX.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/turbo-v...ower-next-wrx/



"The turbo FA20′s output numbers are impressive: 296 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque."

I think I will drive my car as is until the warranty is over and by then I should be able to pick up a used motor for the $2,000 to $3,000 range (seeing used WRX motors on ebay for that or less). It should be a straightforward swap since it is basically the same motor. I figure $5,000 installed is feasible.

That way you get factory reliability and then can do more mods to pump up the power.

[jadewbj]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

I said in my original post Add TO Don's Turbo the tune. He is only selling one kit. There is no "basic kit" and another kit. The 215 HP was the first day they Dynoed at 4 psi, nothing else. the second day they Dynoed they dialed boost to 8-9 psi, they got to 290 HP and that is the kit. His kit NEEDS a tune from ECUTek, but its not included in the 5K price, it is extra.

Got it, just saw Don clear it up in his post on the kit. It requires the ECU flash.

Revised:
It seems that it is about 36% less PPWHP for turbo as opposed to NA MODS.

AP Turbo is 130WHP gain for $6745(kit plus $1000 for tune, guesstimated since the NA tune was $800) or $51 per HP.

NA guess is $4,000 for a full load of bolt ons would be lucky to net a 50WHP gain or $80 per WHP.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by jadewbj

Got it, just saw Don clear it up in his post on the kit. It requires the ECU flash.

Revised:
It seems that it is about 36% less PPWHP for turbo as opposed to NA MODS.

AP Turbo is 130WHP gain for $6745(kit plus $1000 for tune, guesstimated since the NA tune was $800) or $51 per HP.

NA guess is $4,000 for a full load of bolt ons would be lucky to net a 50WHP gain or $80 per WHP.

^^^Agreed. Now regarding your previous to last post, you will not find that WRX motor for sale in 2-3 years for 2-3K. Expect more like 5K. It will be a new motor (rare) and we still don't know how properly it will bolt on. With THAT said, it is a very nice approach! Gives you 250 WHP, with room to improve.

[jadewbj]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

^^^Agreed. Now regarding your previous to last post, you will not find that WRX motor for sale in 2-3 years for 2-3K. Expect more like 5K. It will be a new motor (rare) and we still don't know how properly it will bolt on. With THAT said, it is a very nice approach! Gives you 250 WHP, with room to improve.

I guy can dream, I hope they come down around that price when I get out of powertrain 5 years. Plus you can offset some of the cost by selling your stock motor.

[Tomzilla]

Originally Posted by DriftEightSix

What if I already weight 46kg = about 100lbs?... What do I do then!? if i lose 9 more killo(20 pounds) i think i would die.

(173cm tall - 5.67Feet)

Somebody get this person a sammich, STAT!

[phillip]

But what if I add AP, Dynosty, AND Avo's turbo kits to my car?

[sho220]

Originally Posted by Akired86

more bangs for your bucks

Giggitty...

[karma003]

I'm surprised everyone's missing the point of owning a brz/frs to begin w. Genesis power gains aren't the same & shouldnt be compared to ours. Our cars weigh 2700lbs! Don't the genesis weigh about 3300? 50+ hp, I think, would be a huge gain for us. If I can get a S/C, some exhaust & a little thicker stickier tires, ill be happy

[jadewbj]

Personally I will either be waiting until the car is out of warranty to do any major HP mods. That is unless TRD does release a SC that can keep the warranty.

[Z06tofrs]

I'm torn between a turbo or supercharger(trd or another's ) my budget is 6500-7000$. What I would really like is a 20b tri rotar wankel engine in there. Small lightweight and able to produce nice power. However paying 28 grand for a car to void my warranty with in the first month is silly . Dammit why couldn't they just have 240ish from the factory.

[dabocx]

Originally Posted by Z06tofrs

I'm torn between a turbo or supercharger(trd or another's ) my budget is 6500-7000$. What I would really like is a 20b tri rotar wankel engine in there. Small lightweight and able to produce nice power. However paying 28 grand for a car to void my warranty with in the first month is silly . Dammit why couldn't they just have 240ish from the factory.

Maybe wait a while for the market to grow?

Theres a few turbo kits that are already out that you can get in that price range, but personally id wait a few months to see how those cars hold up.