Bang for the buck - upgrades

[wallace03]

Originally Posted by Akired86

Well look at it this way, if you want bang for your bucks then why not buy a 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0T 260HP@6000 and 260@2000 Torque. These are impressive numbers with more bangs for your bucks, with the Genesis being $27,375 and FRS $24,955. With $2500 more on Genesis you get 60 HP and well over 100 Torque. Can you try to spend $2500 on mods and try get the numbers on FRS?

lol, because i want a car that makes me feel connected to the road. A car that will be fun to drive day after day, that is also reliable and good on fuel. not to mention attractive inside and out. I wouldnt drop money on a car without doing my hours of research and test driving it. when i say bang for buck it was in regard to mods. if i wanted more hp for $ in a car i would have gone with the mustang for camaro. HOWEVER, as i mentioned before. Some extra upgrades to increase throttle response and more torque at 3500rpm wouldnt hurt. im not asking for 400hp. im not sure but i think toybaru designed this with user mods in mind. anyways, im not looking for this but i dont think its fair to say people dont appreciate the car because they feel it could be tweaked to better its performance. We all know no car is perfect, except in the eye of the beholder.

[Sportsguy83]

Ok, I think we can all have an opinion on this. The thread is not about what opinions we have, the OP asked for help in assembling a list of $$$ per HP. So I guess the only help would be whatever upgrade you bought, calculate how much money per HP it is. That simple. It will be helpful for a lot of people.

I'll start:
Street Axleback and High Flow Cat Package/ Nameless/ $949 12 HP -->$79/HP

[jadewbj]

Wow, never thought so many people would give the guy crap for asking about mods. This car was built for people who mod.

From what I have seen you would be best off with working on the exhuast system.

My question is do you care about emissions and warranty?

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by Akired86

Well look at it this way, if you want bang for your bucks then why not buy a 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0T 260HP@6000 and 260@2000 Torque. These are impressive numbers with more bangs for your bucks, with the Genesis being $27,375 and FRS $24,955. With $2500 more on Genesis you get 60 HP and well over 100 Torque. Can you try to spend $2500 on mods and try get the numbers on FRS?

For a few cents per gallon more, it's actually more impressive than that, the '13 2.0T is 274HP/275TQ with premium fuel!

In any event, I understand what the OP is looking for, but the reality is that this is a multi-dimensional problem that you can't easily solve with a flat matrix. $/HP is too simplistic to figure out what the next best mod would be, and it doesn't cover things that are not intrinsically linked to power gains.

[dabocx]

Its a tough thing to do since everyone is testing under diffrent conditions and using diffrent dynos. That and the stock ecu is extremly fiesty.

Part X might make Y power on one day and then you go to lunch and now its making A power. Without a stable tune and testing parts on a average of 5-10 times each itll be really tough to get accurate numbers for what each part really makes.

Regardless right now bang for buck will be a tune apparantly followed by the nameless axleback/downpipe/overpipe system. The header when ever its released will be a amazing bang for your dollar but thats not currently avaliable.

Intakes dont seem to be worth it without a tune but they are cheap and if you get tuned down the line i could see them being worth it. The perrin system with a tune does great things to the torque dip and really helps all around the powerband.

Of course this is all personal opinion, but i think full bolt ons and a tune will easily make this a quick car compared to stock.

[DriftEightSix]

Originally Posted by RandomHero

Run on treadmill. Lose 20lbs. +10hp. $0. Thats what I did. no joke.

What if I already weight 46kg = about 100lbs?... What do I do then!? if i lose 9 more killo(20 pounds) i think i would die.

(173cm tall - 5.67Feet)

[jadewbj]

From looking at Perrin's post: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13991.

They made 18WHP with $2,500 in parts; PERRIN 2.5" Catback, PERRIN 2.5" Catless Front Pipe, PERRIN 2.5" Overpipe, and PERRIN Headers. That is about $138 per HP. This will not pass emissions anywhere since the cats have been removed. Now you can add the ECU and probably free up quite a few more ponies. I have not seen a dyno with the whole exhaust plus the ECU.

Now if you compare that to the Accelerated turbo kit which is going for $5,800 installed and nets about 100 to 130 WHP. Not sure how much it is for the basic kit not with the ECU. Hard to find the right dyno for the base kit.

But if it is 100 HP than it is $58 per HP. Now that will be you best bang other than nitrous.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by jadewbj

From looking at Perrin's post: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13991.

They made 18WHP with $2,500 in parts; PERRIN 2.5" Catback, PERRIN 2.5" Catless Front Pipe, PERRIN 2.5" Overpipe, and PERRIN Headers. That is about $138 per HP. This will not pass emissions anywhere since the cats have been removed. Now you can add the ECU and probably free up quite a few more ponies. I have not seen a dyno with the whole exhaust plus the ECU.

Now if you compare that to the Accelerated turbo kit which is going for $5,800 installed and nets about 100 to 130 WHP. Not sure how much it is for the basic kit not with the ECU. Hard to find the right dyno for the base kit.

But if it is 100 HP than it is $58 per HP. Now that will be you best bang other than nitrous.

You need to add to AP's turbo the tune which is needed so add about 1200.

I understand everyone's concerns and point regarding different Dyno's etc etc, but something simple like jadewbj's post should help the OP.

[denverizzles]

I'm surprised we haven't seen the "obligatory" you should get driving lessons, go to autox, etc...

anyways, to answer the question, unless you go FI, any mod that you "bolt on" is going to have a marginal difference in power. you're best bet is to determine whether you are going to stay NA or go FI, once you decide that then you can set a plan of action.

it might also help if you give us a price range...

[ultra]

Your best bet for added WHP at this point seems to be to choose your favorite full exhaust system (full header back - AP, Agency Power, Nameless, SRT, whatever) and get a tune (Visconti ECUflash is proven at this point).

Pulleys, intakes and partial exhausts don't seem to do much in isolation that wouldn't lie outside the range of dyno or weather fluctuation.

Not against 'feel' mods per say - this car is all about feel. I've added stickier tires, better pads, a sound tube delete, a meatier shift knob and a Nameless track pipe so far and the car 'feels' a whole ton better. Faster in corners, stops better, feels better to drive. More power though? Nah.

The proven options for adding proven WHP are pretty few but pretty straightforward at this point.

[jadewbj]

Originally Posted by sportsguy83

You need to add to AP's turbo the tune which is needed so add about 1200.

I understand everyone's concerns and point regarding different Dyno's etc etc, but something simple like jadewbj's post should help the OP.

What do you mean add AP's Turbo to the tune? Did you mean add the tune to AP's turbo? I think the lower 100 WHP was for the kit as he is selling it without the tune.

According to Don in his post: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=9942&page=101

The price of the Kit itself is $4995. This is the basic set. Uses factory injectors and ecu tuning. Makes about 290whp and 225ftlbs. The tuning is provided via ecutek and can be flashed into your computer.

Installation is $750 during the introductory offer and includes dyno documented numbers.

There are options for ceramic coatings, and extra fixings if you'd like.

They are claiming 290WHP with the "Basic kit" still not sure if that is with or without ECU because he says "uses factory injectors and ecu" but then says "the tuning is provided via ecutek".

If it is 290HP with just the $5745 (includes installation) then you are talking about $20 per WHP which is crazy cheap.

FIXED: As pointed out below it is a 130WHP gain for $5745 or $44 per HP.

People can argue all they want about comparing different dynos, cars, locations testing procedures but the best bang for you buck is turbo (I am ruling out nitrous because these are not drag cars).

Making power with NA cars without adding Forced induction is always expensive.

Think about it, 18WHP with $2,500 in parts; PERRIN 2.5" Catback, PERRIN 2.5" Catless Front Pipe, PERRIN 2.5" Overpipe, and PERRIN Headers. Even if you add a intake and a tune you would be lucky to net 50WHP. That would also end up costing you around $4,000 give or take depending on which parts you choose.

Edit: That would make it about $80 per WHP for NA Mods.

Gotta pay to play.

[Opposed]

Originally Posted by jadewbj

What do you mean add AP's Turbo to the tune? Did you mean add the tune to AP's turbo? I think the lower 100 WHP was for the kit as he is selling it without the tune.

According to Don in his post: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=9942&page=101


They are claiming 290WHP with the "Basic kit" still not sure if that is with or without ECU because he says "uses factory injectors and ecu" but then says "the tuning is provided via ecutek".

If it is 290HP with just the $5745 (includes installation) then you are talking about $20 per WHP which is crazy cheap.

People can argue all they want about comparing different dynos, cars, locations testing procedures but the best bang for you buck is turbo (I am ruling out nitrous because these are not drag cars).

Making power with NA cars without adding Forced induction is always expensive.

Think about it, 18WHP with $2,500 in parts; PERRIN 2.5" Catback, PERRIN 2.5" Catless Front Pipe, PERRIN 2.5" Overpipe, and PERRIN Headers. Even if you add a intake and a tune you would be lucky to net 50WHP. That would also end up costing you around $4,000 give or take depending on which parts you choose.

Gotta pay to play.

You have to pay extra for the tune. The basic kit does not run on the stock ECU alone, it needs to be flashed with the Ecutek software.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by jadewbj

They are claiming 290WHP with the "Basic kit" still not sure if that is with or without ECU because he says "uses factory injectors and ecu" but then says "the tuning is provided via ecutek".

If it is 290HP with just the $5745 (includes installation) then you are talking about $20 per WHP which is crazy cheap

Umm, the stock kit brings your car up to 290. If it added 290 you would be at 450 hp. It actually adds about 130.

5k for the turbo, 750 installed by don and 1200 for the ecutek FI tune = 6950 otd.

6950/130 = 53$ per hp like I posted.

[neutron256]

Originally Posted by ultra

Your best bet for added WHP at this point seems to be to choose your favorite full exhaust system (full header back - AP, Agency Power, Nameless, SRT, whatever) and get a tune (Visconti ECUflash is proven at this point).

Pulleys, intakes and partial exhausts don't seem to do much in isolation that wouldn't lie outside the range of dyno or weather fluctuation.

Not against 'feel' mods per say - this car is all about feel. I've added stickier tires, better pads, a sound tube delete, a meatier shift knob and a Nameless track pipe so far and the car 'feels' a whole ton better. Faster in corners, stops better, feels better to drive. More power though? Nah.

The proven options for adding proven WHP are pretty few but pretty straightforward at this point.

Have you tried a lightweight pully? I think it makes a huge difference. It helps a lot with getting rid of the torque dip.