Breaking in clutch questions.

[incutebus]

Hi everyone, just picked up a fx300 and I had a few questions about breaking it in.

1) How high of an RPM should I rev to get into 1st?
2) How would I downshift? i.e 6th cruising down to 30mph need to go into 4th, do I set it into 4th and just ease out the clutch without gas? Or do I use a bit of gas and rev match to 4th?
3) If I mainly have to go towards the highway, any speeds I shouldn't pass?
4) RPM's to shift at?
5) How long can I hold a clutch at the engagement point before it starts burning?
6) Any other tips? Concerns?

Thanks everyone!

*P.S this is for a different car, but the other car community sucks **** and hasn't answered this question so figured I'd go back to my original fr-s community*

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by incutebus

Hi everyone, just picked up a fx300 and I had a few questions about breaking it in.

1) How high of an RPM should I rev to get into 1st? Doesn't really matter but just don't get carried away. The issue arises if you are slipping the clutch at higher RPMs
2) How would I downshift? i.e 6th cruising down to 30mph need to go into 4th, do I set it into 4th and just ease out the clutch without gas? Or do I use a bit of gas and rev match to 4th? Use all the gears and either ease it out for a slow shift or rev match for a faster one. There is no one answer there since different driving styles need different actions.
3) If I mainly have to go towards the highway, any speeds I shouldn't pass? Once the clutch is engaged it doesn't care how fast you are going. Just don't get a ticket.
4) RPM's to shift at? Impossible to answer due to the different requirements for situations. There is never one certain RPM to shift at. Again just don't slip the clutch.
5) How long can I hold a clutch at the engagement point before it starts burning? LOL do I need to say it again? Don't slip the clutch. It could start to burn instantly or after several minutes all depending on how much contact is being made.
6) Any other tips? Concerns? Don't over think this just shift when you feel you need to shift for the driving conditions. Try to have clutch in or clutch out as much as possible. Anytime you have to have it partially engaged (yes there are times you must) is when you are risking damage.

Thanks everyone!

*P.S this is for a different car, but the other car community sucks **** and hasn't answered this question so figured I'd go back to my original fr-s community*

The clutch on different cars may vary slightly but the principles remain the same.

[ermax]

Yeah, just don't slip the crap out of it and you are fine. TBO I've never altered my driving style on a new clutch. But I also don't slip my clutch even after break in. I've seen people use the clutch to hold the car on a hill (which is bad even on a broken in clutch). Don't do anything like that.

[churchx]

Actually imho mentioned in forums specific rpms or techniques to shift will only confuse & endanger you, if you'll divert lot of your attention trying to follow any.
Just drive.

[incutebus]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The clutch on different cars may vary slightly but the principles remain the same.

Such a fast reply ;_:. Joined the civicx community and don't think anyone knows what a clutch or flywheel is.. The engagement of the 10th gen civics engages stupidly high and the pedals are so soft so it's pretty hard to not slip it into gear while shifting up in the rears(probably due to a CDV). Not sure if the FR-S has this, only had an auto fr-s.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by incutebus

Such a fast reply ;_:. Joined the civicx community and don't think anyone knows what a clutch or flywheel is.. The engagement of the 10th gen civics engages stupidly high and the pedals are so soft so it's pretty hard to not slip it into gear while shifting up in the rears(probably due to a CDV). Not sure if the FR-S has this, only had an auto fr-s.

You don't need to over think this clutch deal. Just go easy on the clutch for the first 500 miles, then just drive the car.




humfrz

[incutebus]

Originally Posted by humfrz

You don't need to over think this clutch deal. Just go easy on the clutch for the first 500 miles, then just drive the car.




humfrz

Yeah I'm only very concerned for the fx350(not 300 sorry) because everyone on the other forums are saying they have been slipping super quick and some are slipping on the dynos.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by incutebus

Yeah I'm only very concerned for the fx350(not 300 sorry) because everyone on the other forums are saying they have been slipping super quick and some are slipping on the dynos.

Well, if the clutch disk was manufactured properly and installed correctly and the flywheel is in good shape and the pressure plate is good and there isn't any oil on the surface of any of them...… the clutch outta work …


humfrz

[incutebus]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The clutch on different cars may vary slightly but the principles remain the same.

How would I move into first gear without slipping the clutch? I never got how people blipped the throttle and got going. I've always had to move my foot to the friction point and just gas it while letting the clutch out slowly. Isn't this slipping it? Also, my other car has a delay valve that shoots the rpms up a bit every time i push the clutch in, if I don't give it some gas while letting the clutch out into the next gear, the car jerks a little. Are these a problem or will I have to live with it?

[Ultramaroon]

Overthinking it. It sounds like you just need practice in coordinating between what your left and right foot are doing.

The standing throttle blip is just a way to use the kinetic energy of the flywheel to start the car rolling. It's nice because it reduces the time spent slipping the clutch.

Try forgetting about the tach. Don't even watch it.

1. In a parking lot away from others, practice starting out in first gear without applying any throttle.

2. When you have that mastered, really mastered, start adding a little throttle to get rolling. You'll notice that if you engage the clutch while the engine is slowing down, there's a rhythm where it falls into place and there's no jerk.

Smooth upshifts and downshifts are all about controlling engine speed to match what the rest of the car expects it to be. Just takes feel and can be mastered no matter what the RPM. It is more difficult at higher RPM because the difference in engine speed is much wider than when shifting at lower RPM. Therefore, the rhythm is different.

[incutebus]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Overthinking it. It sounds like you just need practice in coordinating between what your left and right foot are doing.

The standing throttle blip is just a way to use the kinetic energy of the flywheel to start the car rolling. It's nice because it reduces the time spent slipping the clutch.

Try forgetting about the tach. Don't even watch it.

1. In a parking lot away from others, practice starting out in first gear without applying any throttle.

2. When you have that mastered, really mastered, start adding a little throttle to get rolling. You'll notice that if you engage the clutch while the engine is slowing down, there's a rhythm where it falls into place and there's no jerk.

Smooth upshifts and downshifts are all about controlling engine speed to match what the rest of the car expects it to be. Just takes feel and can be mastered no matter what the RPM. It is more difficult at higher RPM because the difference in engine speed is much wider than when shifting at lower RPM. Therefore, the rhythm is different.

Thanks, lol. I might have worded the blipping thing wrong I was already doing that. I was just saying, I see some people just blip it and dump the throttle and it gets doing smoothly. I have pretty decent clutch control already. Idk I am probably just over thinking it due to all the horror stories of ruining a high performance clutch.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by incutebus

Idk I am probably just over thinking it due to all the horror stories of ruining a high performance clutch.

We can still discuss your cool new clutch.

[incutebus]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

We can still discuss your cool new clutch.

I just never really though about how much I can slip a clutch on a fx350 while breaking it in. Normally I slip the clutch a little going up to next gear for a smooth transition but when people say don't slip the clutch, do they actually mean at all? Or like revving to 3k and slipping it? This is why I'm super confused about all this. I need to slip the clutch going into first. I mean I get going in less than a second at 1500 rpm or so.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by incutebus

I just never really though about how much I can slip a clutch on a fx350 while breaking it in. Normally I slip the clutch a little going up to next gear for a smooth transition but when people say don't slip the clutch, do they actually mean at all? Or like revving to 3k and slipping it? This is why I'm super confused about all this. I need to slip the clutch going into first. I mean I get going in less than a second at 1500 rpm or so.

It's a really good question and it's nearly impossible for me to explain in words. Luckily, it's easy to demonstrate using one's own hands while considering the high school physics thing about friction, work, and heat.

The object is to minimize the total amount of heat energy transferred through the clutch with each operation so that, as it's operated over time, the amount of heat dumped into it doesn't exceed its ability to shed it through the pressure plate and flywheel. This rate of heat over time is called power. Horsepower, KiloWatts, Joules per second, whatever.

If hands are rubbed together lightly enough, they never get too hot no matter how long they are rubbed.

Next, rub them together with medium force 20 times, stop, and hold.

How long does it take for your hands to cool down.

Rub them together again but this time really hard. See where I'm going?

You can launch but give your clutch a chance to cool. That's why I cringe whenever I hear the sound of throttle being applied before clutch is fully engaged. Sloppy upshift is a horrible waste.