|
Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum The place to start for the Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 | GT86 |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
09-24-2012, 10:29 AM | #1 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: Acura TSX, 2010, 6MT
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 55
Thanks: 5
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
So, just how good is the steering feedback?
I've read all the published reviews of the twins I can find, as well as many here, and most have given high praise to the steering feedback. I've taken a short test drive in an FR-S (auto), and while I thought the feedback in general was very good for an electrically-assisted system, it still seemed a bit numb/soft on center, which is a common weakness in EPS systems that really bugs me in my 2010 Acura TSX. (Tires are a factor too, of course, and I'm sure my Acura's OEM Michelins don't help.)
Good steering feel/feedback is a big deal to me, so I'm wondering what owners think, especially those who have previously owned cars with great hydraulically-assisted steering like E36/46/90 BMW 3 Series, Miatas, Porsches, some Saabs, etc. If your perception has changed over time or you've noticed any improvement from ditching the OEM tires, let us know! |
09-24-2012, 10:47 AM | #2 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Drives: '13 FR-S firestorm, 6 mt - '11 CR-V
Location: Tucson
Posts: 2,133
Thanks: 243
Thanked 1,387 Times in 657 Posts
Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I owned two Miatas and a 911 before owning my week and a half old FR-S. I have to qualify what I say by telling you that I don't drive my car any where near the edge of the envelope but the steering feedback is one of the big things I appreciate about the car. That along with it's size, weight and balance.
My car has Michelin Primacy HP tires. |
09-24-2012, 10:53 AM | #3 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: GT86 DGM
Location: Sandnes, Norway
Posts: 623
Thanks: 22
Thanked 197 Times in 110 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I've done aroudn 1000km in the car so far, and going back to any car feels like pushing a dead dog around when lugging the wheel. Even my old MR2 and a friend's NSX feel 'laggy' in comparison. The steering feel is the major selling point for me.
|
09-24-2012, 11:21 AM | #4 |
Sarcastic SOB
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: '13 FR-S M6, '23 Volvo V60 CC
Location: Thornhill Ontario
Posts: 4,619
Thanks: 1,345
Thanked 2,848 Times in 1,637 Posts
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
|
Might as well get used to EPS as it is finding it's way into every car these days.
According to Porsche, the electric power steering system in the redesigned 911 saves weight, space and fuel.
__________________
5:AD kit, HKS V1+ S/C, ECUtek dyno'd, Ohlins MP20, Magnaflow cb, Revworks UEL, Topspeed overpipe, Pinnacle Ceramic tint, VG shark fin, HID's, yellow DRL's, full LEDs, red floor lights, Homelink mirror, trunk lid liner, Perrin LWCP, Valenti smoked, Flossy Grip Tape Shorty, GT86 plaque, lighted vanity mirror, Michelin PSS, Project mU +800, DOT4 fluid, 720 Form GTF1 17x8&9, stitched leather bits, EZ valve.
|
09-24-2012, 11:26 AM | #5 |
Sports Car = Anti-Drug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2014 Honda CBR600RR
Location: Plano
Posts: 917
Thanks: 371
Thanked 307 Times in 193 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
I can only speak for my previous history of cars, so I'd probably rank the few of them this way:
There aren't very many good sports cars to choose from (especially at this price-point), therefore it may be a challenge to choose something with more overall FEEL than the FR-S / BRZ. One aspect I do have to mention is that the steering feel in my FR-S improves with the harder I push the car (at the track). Good luck, and hope this helps a bit.
__________________
"Did you know that this car comes with 300 horsepower in its stock form? 200 from the engine, 50 in its chassis, and the final 50 within the driver who can make the most of it."
Texas BRZ |
09-24-2012, 12:25 PM | #6 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2015 Mustang GT (on order)
Location: San Diego
Posts: 904
Thanks: 114
Thanked 471 Times in 208 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I think the steering feedback is damn good, but not perfect. Ironically, I think the steering feedback on my wife's CX-5 is a tad better. LOL.
__________________
|
09-24-2012, 12:28 PM | #7 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Drives: Ultramarine FR-S, '02 TRD Tacoma
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 120
Thanks: 21
Thanked 61 Times in 30 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Might be because you don't have an high of expectations for it?
__________________
|
09-24-2012, 01:14 PM | #8 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Drives: 2001 Mr2 Spyder
Location: OC
Posts: 127
Thanks: 10
Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
In terms of Electronic Power Steering, the FR-S/BRZ is among the best out there. Overall? It's above average, although the RX-8 is still better even with EPS. Then again, I've been spoiled driving A LOT of Lotus Elise's, Exige's, Porsche Boxster's, Cayman's, 911s of the previous two generations, etc.
I think the steering feel in a TSX and Subaru Legacy from '08 and earlier is underrated.
__________________
Member of Heya Project for Fr-S/BrZ.
Tire choice, Dash, Options list, Engine, Chassis, Suggestions; My fault Owned N/A '93 Mr2, N/A '91 Mr2, '98 Corolla, Mazdaspeed Mx-5, '07 Legacy Wagon, E90 328i well maintained and lit up on fire while driving on the freeway in traffic. |
09-24-2012, 01:15 PM | #9 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2015 Mustang GT (on order)
Location: San Diego
Posts: 904
Thanks: 114
Thanked 471 Times in 208 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
nope. The CX-5 just has great steering.
__________________
|
09-24-2012, 01:20 PM | #10 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Drives: 13 GTI
Location: WI
Posts: 416
Thanks: 119
Thanked 204 Times in 97 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Coming from a Toyota 4Runner, I can't really give you a good comparo, but ***k it sure does go in the direction you point it!
__________________
|
The Following User Says Thank You to mact For This Useful Post: | Texas BRZ (09-24-2012) |
09-24-2012, 01:22 PM | #11 |
Sports Car = Anti-Drug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2014 Honda CBR600RR
Location: Plano
Posts: 917
Thanks: 371
Thanked 307 Times in 193 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
__________________
"Did you know that this car comes with 300 horsepower in its stock form? 200 from the engine, 50 in its chassis, and the final 50 within the driver who can make the most of it."
Texas BRZ |
09-24-2012, 01:51 PM | #12 |
Better yet.. "DrivenSoul"
Join Date: Sep 2012
Drives: IS350, Honda Fit Turbo, FD3S RX-7
Location: In the midst of living life
Posts: 37
Thanks: 0
Thanked 16 Times in 8 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I would say the steering is quick and feels "Tight" no slack but feel is a little bit vague. My Honda Fit is like this as well as my mom's IS350... You get used to it but it isn't as good as hydraulic. My mom used to have an E46 330i and the wheel would jump when you hit bumps on the road.. You really felt stuff going on. After you drive the car for a month, it will feel normal to you. Changing the tires on the Fit actually did make a difference in how heavy the steering got, I went from 195/55 to 225/45. and I'm sure a performance tire will make it feel better on the turns. Overall I think it gives just enough feel to know what's going on with the car, but you kinda have to pay a little attention to it, details are not going to jump at you.
|
09-24-2012, 02:03 PM | #13 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Drives: 2001 Mr2 Spyder
Location: OC
Posts: 127
Thanks: 10
Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
The IS350, I can't stand. Vague. Numb. It's like they took the slack out of the entire Toyota truck lineup, slapped some tight stitched leather on the steering wheel, and put it into the car. The IS300 is better than the IS250/IS350 just on the quicker steering rack and smaller diameter wheel alone.
__________________
Member of Heya Project for Fr-S/BrZ.
Tire choice, Dash, Options list, Engine, Chassis, Suggestions; My fault Owned N/A '93 Mr2, N/A '91 Mr2, '98 Corolla, Mazdaspeed Mx-5, '07 Legacy Wagon, E90 328i well maintained and lit up on fire while driving on the freeway in traffic. |
|
09-24-2012, 02:10 PM | #14 |
Better yet.. "DrivenSoul"
Join Date: Sep 2012
Drives: IS350, Honda Fit Turbo, FD3S RX-7
Location: In the midst of living life
Posts: 37
Thanks: 0
Thanked 16 Times in 8 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
^^ HAHAHA I bet the IS could definitely benefit with tires that ARENT 420 treadwear and lowering springs. When her back is turned I may try to install some Swift Springs with their minor 1" drop O_O
and when these damn 225 and 255 tires finally wear out, maybe go for some 245 265 action with Hankook RS-3. lol But honestly it got a little sideways on me more than a few times and I never felt like it was leaving me in the dark, I could pretty much guess what was going to happen. The body roll is quite distracting though |
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Podcast Feedback | dorkymork | Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS] | 1 | 10-26-2016 05:07 PM |
Feedback to TMS/SOA Management | xravexboix | Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum | 169 | 05-30-2013 06:59 PM |
Feedback Etiquette | Calidrifter | Site Announcements / Questions / Issues | 0 | 06-22-2012 06:42 PM |
Frostwire or Limewire...need feedback and suggestions | Shevon | Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS] | 3 | 01-13-2011 10:08 AM |