Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

The nice thing about manual transmissions is that it involves every limb of your body, and requires them to work together flawlessly. My left foot would die of boredom in a flappy paddle car.

I can think of a thing you could do with your left foot which could potentially take tenths off lap times...

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I can think of a thing you could do with your left foot which could potentially take tenths off lap times...

But what would you do with your left foot on the straights?

[gymratter]

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/toyo...by-itself.638/

[Zaku]

hmm I wonder if it rev matches too

[shadoken]

These rumours about it being 330 hp seem pretty dumb. Why would they go through all that trouble of joint venture with bmw to just throw a 330hp engine from a 340i in there. Even the current gen Z4 has 335hp.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by shadoken

These rumours about it being 330 hp seem pretty dumb. Why would they go through all that trouble of joint venture with bmw to just throw a 330hp engine from a 340i in there. Even the current gen Z4 has 335hp.

i believe BMW's B58 has dyno around 360hp and 370tq.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

But what would you do with your left foot on the straights?

Honestly when I drove a formula 440 (CVT drive) with no clutch and left-foot-only braking at Road Atlanta, I can say that it never once occurred to me that I needed something to occupy my left foot down the straights... I suppose I did nothing with my left foot on the straights, but that did not diminish the experience in the slightest.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Honestly when I drove a formula 440 (CVT drive) with no clutch and left-foot-only braking at Road Atlanta, I can say that it never once occurred to me that I needed something to occupy my left foot down the straights... I suppose I did nothing with my left foot on the straights, but that did not diminish the experience in the slightest.

I figured. Was being a bit tongue-in-cheek.
Track driving is fun driving no matter what transmission you have.

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[Silver Supra]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Honestly when I drove a formula 440 (CVT drive) with no clutch and left-foot-only braking at Road Atlanta, I can say that it never once occurred to me that I needed something to occupy my left foot down the straights... I suppose I did nothing with my left foot on the straights, but that did not diminish the experience in the slightest.

Exactly!

I bet that was fun in the 440! Must be akin to go-karting at RA!
What kind of lap times can you get from those at RA?

RA is my second favorite track, behind Barber Motorsports in Birmingham.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

But what would you do with your left foot on the straights?

Use it to buy a Camaro, Challenger or Mustang.

[Irace86.2.0]

I drove a Gallarado, Aston Martin and Ferrari F430. All were autos. The Ferrari had a dual clutch so shifts were better n smoother but I hated all the autos. Missed a stick n clutch. Hated the auto rev matching. Hated the stop to first gear engagement. Hated just clicking buttons on a wheel. I would never buy a sports car without a stick. It is hard enough buying an SUV without one.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I drove a Gallarado, Aston Martin and Ferrari F430. All were autos. The Ferrari had a dual clutch so shifts were better n smoother but I hated all the autos. Missed a stick n clutch. Hated the auto rev matching. Hated the stop to first gear engagement. Hated just clicking buttons on a wheel. I would never buy a sports car without a stick. It is hard enough buying an SUV without one.

In case we ever get rich, we can get the Noble M600. Proper supercar with a stick

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Silver Supra

Autos sell better and are faster shifting, which makes even more difference if turbo.
Manuals have been a dying breed for some time now and the autos are getting so good, it's hard to not get one.
The FR-S shifts very fast with paddles!

This for some reason reminded me of guys who modz in games like mw2 that I played back in the day. Like yea they won because they cheated but where was the personal challenge?

The way I see it, I'm not a professional, so I'm only pushing myself to be a better driver. I'm not trying to beat others. The stick maximizes my enjoyment and provides more ways for me to better my driving skills. Paddle, shifting autos are like modz for driving--less driver, more computer.

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

In case we ever get rich, we can get the Noble M600. Proper supercar with a stick

[Silver Supra]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

You shouldn't be shifting while taking a curve at 10/10s anyways. .......

There are plenty of decreasing radius turns that require downshifts and increasing radius sweepers that require upshifts. Well, they do if you want to be fast.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

This for some reason reminded me of guys who modz in games like mw2 that I played back in the day. Like yea they won because they cheated but where was the personal challenge?

The way I see it, I'm not a professional, so I'm only pushing myself to be a better driver. I'm not trying to beat others. The stick maximizes my enjoyment and provides more ways for me to better my driving skills. Paddle, shifting autos are like modz for driving--less driver, more computer.

Its fine for you to prefer stick but the object in real-life racing is to be the fastest and complete laps or runs in the shortest time. Try trail braking or shifting in turns in a MT.

Driving a MT is no mystery or difficult task - I've done it over 50 years, and with a lot tougher transmissions and clutches than those of today.
Why, driving one of those tough old trannies would give you even more chances to "better your driving skills"!! Ditch the power steering, synchromesh shifting, power brakes (go back to drum brakes!). Shoot - you don't even need that windshield! That's all cheating, you know? Where is your personal challenge??

Just putting this in perspective, no offense intended. Times change and pretty soon we will all be "cheating" because manual transmissions will disappear in a few years!