09-18-2012, 12:31 AM | #1415 |
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Its funny how people considered the Z overpriced. If you judged the Z's performance amongst 2 seater sports cars in performance range you would see how retarded most of you guys sound. The Z was delivering 95-97% of cayman S performance for 50% of the price. Yeah the MX5 is cheaper and more tossable but it is cheaper in so many areas.
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The aim of de-bloating the Z comes straight from the horse's mouth. Whether or not they do it remains to be seen, but I'm all for it if they do. I don't believe the FR-S can maintain its place in the sun without offering more punch (even if only as pricey options) down the road, but I've been wrong before. I guess my internal struggle is between the FT86 That Was Not Built To My Specs (ha ha), the 370Z That Could Be 200 lbs Trimmer and the Z4 sDrive35i, Not Priced For Rich Guys. Of my three imaginary cars, the Z came closest, and so here we are, in the Land of Moderately Good Imperfection. I need to join a BWM forum and bitch about how the Z4 is too fucking expensive to round out my internet trollery Alphas are sweet, but I've never heard of one that runs more often than it sits around waiting to be looked over by a mechanic. RX9? Hmm. Official, or hanging with unicorns and griffins, like the Supra? The Celica is dead. You are driving what it would/should have been. Quote:
The latest Z is a bit portly, but it still kicks major ass and humbles cars that cost twice as much. Nissan did a good job there. The Miata is the nichest of niche cars for sale in America. The only sports car that should come with "no homo" stickers (save your hate -- I kid, I kid) Anyway, that Toyota built a car to fit within that niche is mind blowing. Is their motto: "We can't lose, because we are not competing with anyone"? To their credit, it is muy macho compared to the Miata. Of course, that's like saying a spaniel is more macho than a shitzu Last edited by Jordo!; 09-18-2012 at 01:33 AM. |
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maybe if we are talking about the last gen Celica Body, but im not. What im talking about is the Celica name, and its racing heritage as a RWD and AWD contender. Toyota did state early last year that placing the Celica badge was a viable option for the FRS. Since they did not, that still leaves a next gen Celica on the table without a real form.
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Other than it's a hatch, I think VW does it the best with the Golf R in inline-4 turbo, don't you think? It solves both the weight issue from Z and the lack of punch from the 86. I think it's the way Nissan should go with the next generation Z.
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this is what radical car owners on this thread sound like:
"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo" |
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My brother has the Golf R. I love that car. Fast, grippy, practical hot hatch. Pricey as hell, though.
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Engine is in the wrong place, oriented the wrong way => nose-heavy. Dedicated rwd > fwd-based awd in the fun department (to me anyway). I'd infinitely rather have an FR-S/BRZ. |
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If you haven't, I recommend taking a whirl in a Golf R. It might not be as precise in the corners or as light as folks here might like, but it is a hoot to drive, and quite comfy inside.
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Most of the people here seem to discount the factor that each automaker does use different construct of the frame and thickness of the metal panels. For instance, 86 owners keep saying how light 86 is and how heavy the 370Z is. However, barring from the weight difference from the engine, the Z does have thicker metal panel and steal frame than the 86. You can simply feel the difference by slamming the car door. Same could be said with European automaker for instance VW here. VW cars feel much sturdy and tightly constructed with thicker panels than Toyota in general. That's why their cars tend to be heavier. Toyota and Honda have been known to have the thinnest panels on their cars.
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For a sports car, I'd rather have lighter-weight than bank-vault solidity, but that's just me...
It's also a case of "excess weight begets still MORE excess weight". A lighter-weight car doesn't need to be as stiff as a heavier car. The heavier car *requires* more structural stiffness (so for similar architecture and construction it requires greater structural weight). In the end, the 370Z suffers because it's based on a mid-sized luxury sedan platform. The Vdub has no excuse, really. The Golf R weighs as much as 4th-gen Camaros, ferchrissakes... They should import the Lupo and have an "R" version of that car, I'd find that more appealing. Anyway, here's to a future Z (and SX/Silvia!) built on a smaller/lighter-weight platform like the FR-S/BRZ! |
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Golf R: expensive, luxurious and refined, medium-sized, AWD, portly, nose heavy, turbo. From autoblog: "Yet regardless of its all-wheel-drive configuration, the nose-heavy Volkswagen still exhibits front-wheel-drive mannerisms. In fact, driven at moderate speeds, the Golf R behaves much like the overweight GTI that it is"To be fair, some other reviews say VW has managed to minimize the Golf R's understeer, and that its shifter is actually good. So I want to drive one. But unless it's completely different than the 4th, 5th, and 6th generation GTIs I've driven, I'm not expecting much. Quote:
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A perfect sports car, for the streets, doesn't exist... Every car out there is a compromise. Which side of that compromise equation floats your boat is entirely up to you.
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