FA20DIT vs FA20 D4-s?

[hmong337]

I'm a little late to the party and just found out about the 2015 WRX.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKx-NMikeOQ"]First Drive: 2015 Subaru WRX | DSPORT Magazine - YouTube[/ame]


So what do you guys think about the DIT engine? I wonder if anything is interchangeable with the d4s.

Subaru obviously liked the FA20 platform enough to use it in their WRX. I'm curious to know if the actual block and head design are the same as the d4s. Obviously internals, no port injection on the intake manifold, and all that stuff will be different to accommodate their DIT. But I'm talking actual architecture of the "long block". I'm curious to know if they're the same or close.

I wonder how the direct injection by itself is going to work out for Subaru. This is their first DI engine of their own- on their own (used in their forester too).

Do you guys think having D4S is advantageous?

The real question, I wonder how both will compare against each other if both are brought up in potential/power.

[Ranatsu]

They've been running the dit motor in the over seas legacy for over a year now.
I imagine that almost everything is going to be swappable. Whether or not the engine bay will have clearance, is another story.

[mswhong]

remember reading somewhere that the DIT engine wont fit our car without mods to engine bay? Or something like if one wanted the bottom end of the DIT, it wouldn't mate to the D4S properly.

You get the gist.

[jamesm]

as someone who likes to tune my car, i'm very very glad that we have port as well as direct injection. i don't see the benefit to only using direct (which is entirely possible if you choose with d4-s). being able to use bigger port injectors up top is better than having to source aftermarket direct injection parts.

notice the 10.6:1 compression...

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by jamesm

as someone who likes to tune my car, i'm very very glad that we have port as well as direct injection. i don't see the benefit to only using direct (which is entirely possible if you choose with d4-s). being able to use bigger port injectors up top is better than having to source aftermarket direct injection parts.

notice the 10.6:1 compression...

Yes! That's how I see D4S as being advantageous. I'm also VERY glad that we have port injectors for the ease of sizing up.

With DIT, I wonder how guys are going to get larger direct injectors. I couldn't imagine how expensive those pieces will be.

[The Racers Line]

I'm very curious what Subaru is going to do to combat the carbon build up on the back of the valves that comes from only having direct injectors. BMW and GM are already having lots of issues with this.

[1086]

The WRX's new set up will be very useful as a reference/benchmark for FI upgrades to the 86 platforms. I am excited . Can't wait to FI my car in Spring

[clintavo]

Originally Posted by WiebTech Performance

I'm very curious what Subaru is going to do to combat the carbon build up on the back of the valves that comes from only having direct injectors. BMW and GM are already having lots of issues with this.

This. I would probably spray a bottle of Seafoam though the intake each time I changed the oil, but how effective would it be?

[WHITE]

Originally Posted by hmong337

Yes! That's how I see D4S as being advantageous. I'm also VERY glad that we have port injectors for the ease of sizing up.

With DIT, I wonder how guys are going to get larger direct injectors. I couldn't imagine how expensive those pieces will be.

Upgraded aftermarket diesel direct injectors for newer(2012-2013) dodges and fords run around 500$ Per injector. Gasser ones should be on par with them id think, diesels do have to cope with ALOT higher injection pressure.

[ciro]

Just need to catch all oil from the intake manifold and there wont be any carbon.

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by WiebTech Performance

I'm very curious what Subaru is going to do to combat the carbon build up on the back of the valves that comes from only having direct injectors. BMW and GM are already having lots of issues with this.

Another reason why I think it wasn't Subaru ditching the d4s but rather Toyota wanting to keep that technology firmly in their grasp. Toyota's a business and one of the most successful in history. I can't see them handing over all their d4s tech that they took years to develop to a partner/competitor that never had any DI tech prior who can potentially use it for their own interests.

[ramiram1984]

Looks
Like this car:

[The Racers Line]

Originally Posted by ciro

Just need to catch all oil from the intake manifold and there wont be any carbon.

As an aftermarket solution maybe, but a catch can would never come stock.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by hmong337

Another reason why I think it wasn't Subaru ditching the d4s but rather Toyota wanting to keep that technology firmly in their grasp. Toyota's a business and one of the most successful in history. I can't see them handing over all their d4s tech that they took years to develop to a partner/competitor that never had any DI tech prior who can potentially use it for their own interests.

This page addresses some of the carbon buidup concerns:

http://kaizenfactor.wordpress.com/20...e-fa20-engine/