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Old 08-20-2019, 01:13 PM   #85
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Just comparing two road trips I took, one in each.

Those graph don't seem to filter out older model years?

Also, median MPG of 28 for BRZ sounds unrealistic. Although perhaps this includes BRZs with automatic gearboxes? My BRZ has a manual gearbox.
Those charts appear to be from FUELLY which takes submissions from participants and then aggregates it. The one for the FRS (with 687 partipating cars of which I am one) is very similar so it looks pretty consistent.
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Not sure how going public impacts the cost of R&D/Unit, unless you are saying they will produce more vehicles at that time.
Right, supposedly 15 new models including an SUV coming over the next few years.

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I love the new C8.
I plan on getting a new one as a daily in a year or two, and letting my tS be a weekend car. I'm excited about the Corvette's transition to an MR supercar.
Sure it won't have prestige like other brands, but this may be what the Corvette needs to get owners who aren't wearing jorts and white New Balances.
I'm fine without the brand prestige, I just don't want a retiree's image at the age of 38.
Just ignore any image associated with any car and enjoy it for what it is

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the part that's a bummer for me is the 3577 lb (1622 kg) curb weight. That is a porker of a sports car . Definitely the equivalent of a piano strapped to an FT86 in terms of handling feel.

I thought Corvettes were suppose to be super light. I'll wait for reviews to tell how nimble it feels. Hopefully it surprises there.

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...the part that's a bummer for me is the 3577 lb (1622 kg) curb weight. That is a porker of a sports car . ... thought Corvettes were suppose to be super light. I'll wait for reviews to tell how nimble it feels. Hopefully it surprises there.
The base C7 is 3,298lbs and ranges up to 3,582 for the Z06, at least according to the numbers I found. So yes, the C8 is heavier than previous models.
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I thought Corvettes were suppose to be super light.
Especially since the C3 in 1968 at ~3300-3500 lb., Corvettes have been considered quite heavy for a "sports car". But over the years most other "sports cars" bulked up massively, to the point that the Corvette became something of a relative lightweight just by maintaining the same weight, while the 911 gained 1000 lb. and more...

I was very disappointed when the "lightweight" Z06 gained 300 lb. from C6 to C7 version, and now the lightest Corvettes will apparently be pushing 3600 lb. Doh...

Has me thinking about a C6...
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Especially since the C3 in 1968 at ~3300-3500 lb., Corvettes have been considered quite heavy for a "sports car". But over the years most other "sports cars" bulked up massively, to the point that the Corvette became something of a relative lightweight just by maintaining the same weight, while the 911 gained 1000 lb. and more...

I was very disappointed when the "lightweight" Z06 gained 300 lb. from C6 to C7 version, and now the lightest Corvettes will apparently be pushing 3600 lb. Doh...

Has me thinking about a C6...
My memory is hazy by I remember lightweight fiberglass Corvettes that were very light compared to competition but with shady build quality.

I don't know, maybe build quality adds weight.
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My memory is hazy by I remember lightweight fiberglass Corvettes that were very light compared to competition but with shady build quality.

I don't know, maybe build quality adds weight.
Definitely - modern consumers want a car that feels 'solid' and rides quietly. That means lots of reinforcements and sound deadening. That plus vastly improved safety requirements mean that cars are just getting heavier.

That's one place where the 86 really shines - Toyota and Subaru managed to put together a package that meets rigid safety requirements (does quite well for its size), has spacious driver/front passenger areas, a usable rear seat, a fairly rigid chassis, and still keeps weight under 2800 lbs. Show me another car that does that.

Where does it suffer? NVH & general interior/trunk materials - not bad mind you but not up to 'modern' standards for a fine quality interior.
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My memory is hazy by I remember lightweight fiberglass Corvettes that were very light compared to competition but with shady build quality.
I don't know, maybe build quality adds weight.
Some may have thought "fiberglass = lightweight", but I think fiberglass was primarily used to get swoopy shapes that couldn't be easily pressed out of sheetmetal, not necessarily to save weight.
When the steel-bodied Mustang came out in 1964, it was about the same weight as the Corvette, despite 2+2 seating. Over the years Mustangs would go up and down in weight pretty wildly, with the lighter ones being lighter than same-year Corvettes.
Before the ginormous-sedan-based Camaros of 2010+, steel-bodied Camaros were generally only about 100 lb. heavier than same-year Corvettes despite being larger cars with 2+2 seating.

For MANY years the Corvette was considered grossly overweight relative to other sports cars. But relative to other *supercars*, like the Ferrari Daytona, the weight was IMO reasonable. But not "very light".

Only when other cars became stupidly heavy did the Corvette become, *relatively*, less overweight. But again, never "very light".
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Definitely - modern consumers want a car that feels 'solid' and rides quietly. That means lots of reinforcements and sound deadening. That plus vastly improved safety requirements mean that cars are just getting heavier.

That's one place where the 86 really shines - Toyota and Subaru managed to put together a package that meets rigid safety requirements (does quite well for its size), has spacious driver/front passenger areas, a usable rear seat, a fairly rigid chassis, and still keeps weight under 2800 lbs. Show me another car that does that.

Where does it suffer? NVH & general interior/trunk materials - not bad mind you but not up to 'modern' standards for a fine quality interior.
Yeah honestly the FT86 is an overachiever that no one seems to appreciate. That's why I'm struggling to ever justify selling mine.

It'd sure be cool if they made a stripped out Corvette the way they do with Porsche GT cars. Maybe aftermarket
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Yeah honestly the FT86 is an overachiever that no one seems to appreciate. That's why I'm struggling to ever justify selling mine.

It'd sure be cool if they made a stripped out Corvette the way they do with Porsche GT cars. Maybe aftermarket
That's what they need to do with the next ZR1 - make it a true light weight race trim car for the street. Don't need to add that much power, just take away weight, tune the suspension, and 'harden' it a bit.
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That's what they need to do with the next ZR1 - make it a true light weight race trim car for the street. Don't need to add that much power, just take away weight, tune the suspension, and 'harden' it a bit.
I think the way it goes with Corvette, is the Stingray is the base everyday model, the Z06 is the lightweight race-car stripper (supposedly), and the ZR1 is the classic crazy Muscle car that's out to trounce everything.

In terms of 911, it's like 911 S, 911 GT3, and 911 Turbo S, respectively equate to Corvette Stingray,Z06, and ZR1.

Anyway, I'm just complaining, I know full well that this "heavy sports car" trend is here to stay from what I've learned from a previous thread I started here:

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I think the way it goes with Corvette, is the Stingray is the base everyday model, the Z06 is the lightweight race-car stripper (supposedly), and the ZR1 is the classic crazy Muscle car that's out to trounce everything.
Hmmm, not according to this site at least...the Z06 is the heaviest....

https://autotk.com/weight/chevrolet/corvette/#2016
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Hmmm, not according to this site at least...the Z06 is the heaviest....

https://autotk.com/weight/chevrolet/corvette/#2016
Yeah the Z06 might be heavier but it is the version that was intended to be the track prepped and it should be the lightest, that's why I put in (supposedly) there.
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