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Old 12-03-2009, 05:08 PM   #1
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Subaru Version of Toyota FT-86 Confirmed...But Not Yet For U.S.

http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...ot-yet-for-u-s

Subaru’s version of the upcoming sports car codeveloped with Toyota is definitely a go.
“There will be a Subaru version of the car; we have not yet confirmed it for the U.S.,” clarified Subaru of America director of corporate communications Michael McHale, to Motor Authority at Subaru's stand at the Los Angeles Auto show.
Some outlets have recently speculated that a Subaru version of the Toyota FT-86 won’t arrive after all, but the project is moving forward with a yet unnamed, uniquely Subaru version under development that’s “coming along quite nicely,” said McHale.
Just what might be the differences between the two? Although McHale wouldn’t talk specifics, “The Subaru’s going to be a little bit more Subaru-like, and the Toyota’s going to be a little bit more Toyota-like,” he said.
Subaru has done the majority of the engineering work for the FT-86 and will build two distinct versions of the vehicle—one for Subaru, the other for Toyota—in Japan. While it’s still officially up in the air as to whether the FT will have all-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive, it would be expected that a flagship sports car would exhibit Subaru’s core qualities, including all-wheel drive with a horizontally opposed ‘Boxer’ four-cylinder engine.
The related Toyota FT-86 concept, shown at the Tokyo show in October, was rear-wheel-drive and powered by a boxer four.
Subaru has plenty of time to decide; the new sports car isn't expected to bow in production form for another couple of years.
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Subaru’s version of the upcoming sports car codeveloped with Toyota is definitely a go.
“There will be a Subaru version of the car; we have not yet confirmed it for the U.S.,” clarified Subaru of America director of corporate communications Michael McHale, to Motor Authority at Subaru's stand at the Los Angeles Auto show.
Some outlets have recently speculated that a Subaru version of the Toyota FT-86 won’t arrive after all, but the project is moving forward with a yet unnamed, uniquely Subaru version under development that’s “coming along quite nicely,” said McHale.
Just what might be the differences between the two? Although McHale wouldn’t talk specifics, “The Subaru’s going to be a little bit more Subaru-like, and the Toyota’s going to be a little bit more Toyota-like,” he said.
Subaru has done the majority of the engineering work for the FT-86 and will build two distinct versions of the vehicle—one for Subaru, the other for Toyota—in Japan. While it’s still officially up in the air as to whether the FT will have all-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive, it would be expected that a flagship sports car would exhibit Subaru’s core qualities, including all-wheel drive with a horizontally opposed ‘Boxer’ four-cylinder engine.
The related Toyota FT-86 concept, shown at the Tokyo show in October, was rear-wheel-drive and powered by a boxer four.
Subaru has plenty of time to decide; the new sports car isn't expected to bow in production form for another couple of years.
I find the bolded part interesting. I hope that is referring to the Subie version and not both as I thought the RWD Yota version was already set in stone.
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I find the bolded part interesting. I hope that is referring to the Subie version and not both as I thought the RWD Yota version was already set in stone.
I am pretty sure that is for the Subie version. Because in this video
Tada talks about a FR layout.
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Haha, that's definitely not the name I gave this thread but that's good too
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how come the talks of subaru's version is so scattered but yet never seen a concept? no formal quote from a CEO, chief engineer or any higher up people? for sure if subaru will have their version will be AWD cuz, that is the bread and butter of subaru.
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I was really hoping they wouldn't. If Toyota decided not to sc or tc this engine, and it does actually come out with 200hp or less, and 160lbs-ft of torque or less, I won't be buying it. I want to see the EJ255 or EJ257 in there, settling of course for a sc ej253
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I was really hoping they wouldn't. If Toyota decided not to sc or tc this engine, and it does actually come out with 200hp or less, and 160lbs-ft of torque or less, I won't be buying it. I want to see the EJ255 or EJ257 in there, settling of course for a sc ej253
engine swap?

Get the RWD toyota and swap the subie engine.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156

I think it's a moot point though because Toyota has already hinted there will probably be more powerful versions and TRD involvement:

"Though a naturally-aspirated powerplant is fitted to the concept car, Tada-san says higher performance versions are on the cards. He even hints the car may launch with both standard and high-performance versions.

Not STI, but TRD, he joked adding: "Those sort of 'customised version' -- we have something of their sort in our mind. So please raise your expectations."
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I am pretty sure that is for the Subie version. Because in this video
Tada talks about a FR layout.
they are really pushing that lightweight concept, makes me think maybe it will be under 2400lbs, that'd be dreamy haha
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they are really pushing that lightweight concept, makes me think maybe it will be under 2400lbs, that'd be dreamy haha
The new idea of light weight is right around 3000lbs......2400lbs is what it will weigh once its stripped and prepped for track use. 2400lbs straight from the factory I think not, just be happy if its under 2900lbs.
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very nice video. makes me quite hopeful.

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Subaru’s version of the upcoming sports car codeveloped with Toyota is definitely a go.
“There will be a Subaru version of the car; we have not yet confirmed it for the U.S.,” clarified Subaru of America director of corporate communications Michael McHale, to Motor Authority at Subaru's stand at the Los Angeles Auto show.
Some outlets have recently speculated that a Subaru version of the Toyota FT-86 won’t arrive after all, but the project is moving forward with a yet unnamed, uniquely Subaru version under development that’s “coming along quite nicely,” said McHale.
Just what might be the differences between the two? Although McHale wouldn’t talk specifics, “The Subaru’s going to be a little bit more Subaru-like, and the Toyota’s going to be a little bit more Toyota-like,” he said.
Subaru has done the majority of the engineering work for the FT-86 and will build two distinct versions of the vehicle—one for Subaru, the other for Toyota—in Japan. While it’s still officially up in the air as to whether the FT will have all-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive, it would be expected that a flagship sports car would exhibit Subaru’s core qualities, including all-wheel drive with a horizontally opposed ‘Boxer’ four-cylinder engine.
The related Toyota FT-86 concept, shown at the Tokyo show in October, was rear-wheel-drive and powered by a boxer four.
Subaru has plenty of time to decide; the new sports car isn't expected to bow in production form for another couple of years.
I think this is more than a bit inaccurate, but I guess we will eventually find out.
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That video gets some really nice angles.
The girl said that the wheelbase is at 2540mm or exactly 100in.
That is about an inch and a half drop from what that had stated previously. They're moving in the right direction. This car should be pretty nimble
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The new idea of light weight is right around 3000lbs......2400lbs is what it will weigh once its stripped and prepped for track use. 2400lbs straight from the factory I think not, just be happy if its under 2900lbs.
CTR is 200 hp and weighs less than 2700 lbs. I will not buy the FT-86 if it weighs more than 2600 lbs in stock form...
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CTR is 200 hp and weighs less than 2700 lbs. I will not buy the FT-86 if it weighs more than 2600 lbs in stock form...

Which CTR? Don't know of any that make that power/weight, because all that have 200+hp weigh more than 2700lbs, and the EK9 has 180hp.

Feel free to buy a type R if the FT isn't to your taste.

2600-2700 sounds just about right to me, and I'll only be happier the lighter it gets.
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