Random thoughts thread

[echo419]

Originally Posted by jawn

The entire new Mustang line is pretty nice. I cross-shopped it with the BRZ, but the Mustang feels like driving a grand tourer, even with the performance pack. It's the lightest of the three Detroit offerings, so I have very little interest in the other two.

The GT350 is very cool, obviously, but that's getting into C7 territory, and I'd rather have a C7.

my sediments exactly

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

That would be a charger..

Well duh! I blame the medication!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MrFisty

I actually come from a muscle car backgriund, but I just hate the challengers and chqrgers. So big, so heavy. Even the hellcat...


I would love a new GT thougj.

But I'm plenty happy with my frs.

Ummm big and heavy are the linage of muscle cars. If they are not then I would not even classify them as one.

[MrFisty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ummm big and heavy are the linage of muscle cars. If they are not then I would not even classify them as one.

I agree, but the Challenger is bigger and heavier than the other two. Did a quick check from the 2015 car and driver spec list for GT vs SS vs Scat Pack, and the challenger is bigger in all dimensions (its like 9 inches longer, I think) and weighs 4220 pounds, more than 400 more pounds than the GT. It moves quicker in a straight line, but that's an easier remedy, IMO, than the handling difference.

Of course, people may come out and say muscle cars aren't supposed to handle well, but I don't want a car to handle worse than it's direct competition by much if I can help it.

I won't deny that they look kind of cool, but I think the mustang looks cooler. This is subjective, of course, but I feel like the Challenger is more some sort of retro-ideal version of the car whereas the mustang has really evolved throughout its life.

I don't know how I feel about the Camaro...

They all big an' heavy though, that's for sure. It blows me away that our cars only weight like 2700 pounds. That's just awesome.

[MrFisty]

Originally Posted by jawn

The entire new Mustang line is pretty nice. I cross-shopped it with the BRZ, but the Mustang feels like driving a grand tourer, even with the performance pack. It's the lightest of the three Detroit offerings, so I have very little interest in the other two.

The GT350 is very cool, obviously, but that's getting into C7 territory, and I'd rather have a C7.

Troof.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MrFisty

I agree, but the Challenger is bigger and heavier than the other two. Did a quick check from the 2015 car and driver spec list for GT vs SS vs Scat Pack, and the challenger is bigger in all dimensions (its like 9 inches longer, I think) and weighs 4220 pounds, more than 400 more pounds than the GT. It moves quicker in a straight line, but that's an easier remedy, IMO, than the handling difference.

Of course, people may come out and say muscle cars aren't supposed to handle well, but I don't want a car to handle worse than it's direct competition by much if I can help it.

I won't deny that they look kind of cool, but I think the mustang looks cooler. This is subjective, of course, but I feel like the Challenger is more some sort of retro-ideal version of the car whereas the mustang has really evolved throughout its life.

I don't know how I feel about the Camaro...

They all big an' heavy though, that's for sure. It blows me away that our cars only weight like 2700 pounds. That's just awesome.

I think the distinction between "muscle car" and "pony car" got blurred someplace over the decades. In fact the term "pony car" has pretty much disappeared. What is now called a "muscle car" would not have cut it back in the day when the terms were formed. I think we are using two totally different definitions of the words based on our ages. Pony cars were good in the straight and alright in a turn. Muscle cars rocked the straight but totally sucked in any form of turn (why do you think stock car tracks are big ovals?). If somebody had called a Mustang or Camaro a "muscle car" back in the 70s they would probably have been laughed at. The Challenger even back ten sort of blurred the line between the two segments. As you said the Challenger is more true to the old school muscle car format and the Mustang and Camaro followed their pony car roots.


Muscle cars:







Pony cars:






Blurred line between the two:

[MrFisty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think the distinction between "muscle car" and "pony car" got blurred someplace over the decades. In fact the term "pony car" has pretty much disappeared. What is now called a "muscle car" would not have cut it back in the day when the terms were formed. I think we are using two totally different definitions of the words based on our ages. Pony cars were good in the straight and alright in a turn. Muscle cars rocked the straight but totally sucked in any form of turn (why do you think stock car tracks are big ovals?). If somebody had called a Mustang or Camaro a "muscle car" back in the 70s they would probably have been laughed at. The Challenger even back ten sort of blurred the line between the two segments. As you said the Challenger is more true to the old school muscle car format and the Mustang and Camaro followed their pony car roots.

You are completely right, and I should be more aware of that. I am definitely referring to what the idea of a muscle care has become. In that respect, I think that the modern day muscle cars are the likes of the challengers, mustangs, and camaros. That is not really how the muscle car began, and I know for a fact the camaro and mustang were pony cars. not sure about the challenger. Feels liks muscle, but there were a lot of other cars in the dodge/plymouth lineup that fit the bill better.

But I do think that this is what muscle cars have become. "pony car" doesn't feel quite right for modern day camaros and mustangs to me, and it is very common to call them muscle cars. You are definitely right about us using two different ideas of the muscle car, though.


I do have an appreciation for real muscle cars, but I feel like, in spite of my 16-18 year old self, I would no longer choose to own one.

I used to hang out at the local dragstrip with my then brother-in-law and brother waaay too much. I almost feel like my love of Japanese RWD cars is a rebellion against an old self.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MrFisty

. I almost feel like my love of Japanese RWD cars is a rebellion against an old self.

Freakin' rice burner lover.

[go_a_way1]

@ichitaka05, can I sell all my memes on here

(this is just a joke)

[MrFisty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Freakin' rice burner lover.

I come from a small Georgia town with a lot of...biases. And I heard more about how stupid Japanese cars were than I did racism, so that's a pretty good way of putting it.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

@ichitaka05, can I sell all my memes on here

(this is just a joke)

Someone want to chill out from the forum for a while. I've warned you & others on the other thread... but wanna take a chance. Which one you want? 5040hrs temp banned or 1 month temp banned?

If you don't know what I'm talking bout read here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=508

[go_a_way1]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Someone want to chill out from the forum for a while. I've warned you & others on the other thread... but wanna take a chance. Which one you want? 5040hrs temp banned or 1 month temp banned?

If you don't know what I'm talking bout read here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=508

I stopped posting memes like mad. I think I have posted maybe 2 since you warned me?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Someone want to chill out from the forum for a while. I've warned you & others on the other thread... but wanna take a chance. Which one you want? 5040hrs temp banned or 1 month temp banned?

If you don't know what I'm talking bout read here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=508

I would like it to go on record that I did NOT report the memes to ichi and was hoping my little comment would be enough. He found them all on his own!!!!!

[MrFisty]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Someone want to chill out from the forum for a while. I've warned you & others on the other thread... but wanna take a chance. Which one you want? 5040hrs temp banned or 1 month temp banned?

If you don't know what I'm talking bout read here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=508

I am confused.